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I’ve always assumed ‘banter’ as good natured, were both parties have a laugh about something….
If the sport isn’t willing to change, then don’t complain when things go against it. When opportunities arise to change, then do it. Don’t carry on as if nothing has happened……sadly, it seems racing takes the latter road.
The more you see major companies promoting changes in how they operate in today’s realities the more racing looks like its stuck in a time warp. All this macho crap should be consigned to the bin. Guys like dunne would perform better if they learned how to channel their aggression in a more fruitful ways. Screaming at a woman for over a minute shows he has a real problem. Absolutely shocking he’s been allowed to do this for years. If he did it in any place I’ve worked he would have been up against the wall. Shocking also that nobody inside the weighing room hasn’t challenged him.
I’ve played sport at a decent level and seen his type. Normally someone pulls him aside to say behave. Crazy racing doesn’t see it as a problem.Marlingford: Is anyone aware of Paul Nicholls having had anything to say on the bullying issue, especially given Bryony’s relationship with his stable? As has been pointed out previously, industry voices speaking in her support seem to have been very thin on the ground.
The Tatling Cheekily: No chance Pumpkin Head Nicholls will stick his neck out. They are one cosy little club who think anyone outside the industry should shut up and mind their own business.
Where is the evidence Paul Nicholls is in this “cosy little club” of yours?
Couldn’t Paul Nicholls be giving Bryony every support behind the scenes?
Couldn’t Paul Nicholls be “speaking in her support” out of the public – twittersphere or TRFland – eye?
How does not wanting to join in with the leaks make Paul Nicholls a bad person?
May be – because he does not have access to the weighing room – Paul Nicholls does not have any evidence?
Have you considered Paul Nicholls keeping a public silence might be because he does not want this case to be dropped and wants Bryony to get justice?I am not saying he is or is not doing what you say. Just like to see the evidence when you’re making such derisory comments on his character. At the moment all his crime seems to be is that you see Paul Nicholls as an establishment figure and therefore wish to think the worst of him.
…And yet (rightly imo) give Richard Johnson the benefit of the doubt.
Value Is EverythingFor me there is a key difference between Paul Nicholls being Bryony Frost’s employer, and someone who has had a close connection to her over a long period, and Richard Johnson who is a peripheral figure in this context. I would like to think if I ended up in Bryony’s situation that those with a close connection to me would speak out in support. As you say, he could well be providing support behind the scenes and none of us know this, but I would have far more expectation of Nicholls saying something than Johnson.
“Seasider, I’m inclined to give people such as Richard Johnson the benefit of the doubt. If he saw a sustained campaign of abuse or a serious incident then I’d have hoped he would have stepped in, but he might have just seen one or two things and put it down to those awful words “bickering” and “banter”…”
Marlingford,
I really want to believe that but 5 years is a long time to remain unaware of a situation like this. In addition to anything Johnson may or may not have seen there would surely have been talk about the matter amongst the jockeys which should have alerted him to a problem.
I’m conflicted.
“Screaming at a woman for over a minute shows he has a real problem. Absolutely shocking he’s been allowed to do this for years. If he did it in any place I’ve worked he would have been up against the wall.”
mickey,
At any place I’ve worked, mainly in offices, there would have been severe disciplinary action up to the point of job termination. But there has always been a clear chain of responsibility in these environments such that all employees report to somebody, right up to the position of CEO. There is always someone there who can take authoritative action.
Jockeys report to a trainer. If he/she has 7 rides in a day, all for different trainers, they effectively have 7 different employers during that day. Furthermore, I don’t think trainers spend much time in the weighing room hence they would be unaware of the true nature of any given incident. There appears to be no-one in the weighing room who is responsible for a jockey’s behaviour except the jockeys themselves.
This is now proving to be an unsatisfactory arrangement, one which has been arrived at by default during 200+ years of horse racing.
Gingertipster, if someone wished you a good morning I think you’d quote a load of national average weather station readings and advise them to consult legal advice before furnishing you with any future opinions.
BUY THE SUN
I’d certainly want to see evidence that the weatherman was not to be trusted if someone cast aspersions about that weatherman, TTC.
When someone’s opinion is not based on evidence their opinion is worth nothing.
When someone writes about someone in derogatory terms then that person should be able to back it up with evidence, otherwise it shows more about the writer than the subject of his/her derision.
Value Is EverythingI suspect this will be shelved in the too difficult drawer
Racing does not need the discomfort of the ensuing publicity
Might be wrong But expect this to fizzle out
Racecourses pledge private changing rooms after alleged bullying of female jockeys
Tuesday November 23 2021, 5.00pm, The Times
Racecourses in Britain have responded to concerns about the treatment of female jockeys by upgrading changing facilities and weighing rooms to new minimum standards.
The news was announced on Monday as the sport braces itself for further damaging publicity at a hearing next Tuesday that will determine whether the jockey Robbie Dunne is guilty of bullying the leading female rider Bryony Frost.
It was also revealed in The Times last month that a second female jockey had lodged a complaint with the British Horseracing Authority (BHA) after an incident involving a male jockey, which is believed to have happened in a racecourse changing area.
The improvements will guarantee private changing and shower facilities for jockeys, offering security for those who wish to use them. The changes will be implemented by February 1 next year, while further improvements, including shared communal rest and warm-up areas, and flexibility to adapt changing room sizes according to varying numbers of participants, will be completed by October 2024.
David Armstrong, the chief executive of the Racecourse Association, said: “This presents a significant milestone and many months of hard work. The outcome of this project will be the creation of significantly improved weighing and changing room facilities that are in keeping with other elite and professional sports.”
A step in the right direction methinks.
Can’t understand the comments re Nichols. Surely he simply cannot speak out publicly when he doesnt know for sure what happened and because it would prejudice the case
Isn’t that obvious?
Clivexx, although Nicholls doesn’t know for sure what happened, I’m confident he will have an opinion on who is telling the truth. He’ll almost certainly have a view on what is reasonable behaviour too, especially as he was a jockey himself.
When I say “speaking out in support of Frost”, I don’t mean saying something potentially libellous about Dunne or explicitly saying “I believe Bryony” necessarily. However, if he wanted to signal that he was backing her, this would seem a good time to use his media profile to sing her praises as a jockey and to compliment her character publically. After Frodon won he seemed to be focusing heavily on the horse rather than the jockey, though he was a bit more forthcoming after Yala Enki’s win.
I take your point that Nicholls would be wise to be careful in what he says before the hearing, and it’s probably better to keep quiet than putting your foot in it. But he’s not normally one to hide his views. It will be interesting to see if he has anything to say after the disciplinary is complete.
Pretty poor article from Charlie Brooks in the Telegraph alleging that Bryony does have an issue with drifting across other horses approaching fences and maintaining that discipline of young jockeys should occur in the changing rooms.
My recommended solution there is not to buy the Telegraph.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Oh god I hope I’m not being labelled a Telegraph reader, I just saw the piece on Twitter.
Honest.
I’m not gonna lie, patriot1, I’m mightily pleased to hear that’s the case!
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