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Here you go all you shrewdies out there, Proportional is 6/1 for the 1000 Guineas this weekend
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4/5 Fantasia is a nonsense. She beat a bunch of horse who would have been more at home in a Ripon Handicap. The form is worth nothing when it comes to this class.
This horse wasn’t in the same class as Rainbow View last season and I doubt she will prove to be anywhere near as good as her this year.
I really think she will get stuffed in this by the locals.
Proportional may have beaten Elusive Wave but she took a long time to get going in that race for some reason. The next time she ran she made all and ran them ragged.
I think she will appreciate every yard of this mile, even moreso than Proportional and be way too good for her and Fantasia.
With all the Fantasia hype the 7/2 available just now may not be the best price going when the other bookies open. So I won’t bet her now and hopefully there will be a bit of 4’s going soon.
Fantasia’s odds do seem a bit cramped, especially for a classic event run in France, and considering she is up against much better fillies this time round.
However, I think she has a real touch of class about her, and even though she is no sure fire good thing, it will take a good one to lower her colours.
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Whilst the 4/5 about Fantasia may seem non-sensical, Fist, it’s almost certainly far better (relatively) than the 11/10 that was on offer about Rainbow View at Newmarket. The Gosden filly was streets ahead as a two-year-old, but many (including me) harboured doubts as to how well she would train on and it’s debatable at this point which of the pair has improved the most over the winter.
Luca Cumani has a habit of bringing horses like Fantasia along slowly and there’s no doubting that she has returned a better animal. The form of her Nell Gwyn victory might not amount to much, but she left her rivals for dead and clocked an extremely impressive time in the process. And don’t forget her latest run was over seven furlongs which, given her juvenile campaign at least, would seem to be on the short side.
At 4/5 she’s as close to buying money as you can get.
I thought Proportional was a good thing for the 1000gns, so i wont desert
her now, trouble is Fantasia looks an awesome prospect so i have backed
Proportional e/w at 5/1 just in case!I will be laying Fantasia, I am not convinced the course will suit, with its relatively short run in, especially if there is no pace early and its become a sprint finish.
Did you not see Fantasia sprint away with the Nell Gwyn last month?
I think a sprint finish would suit her, but I don’t think I’ll be backing due to the conditions todayDid you not see Fantasia sprint away with the Nell Gwyn last month?
I think a sprint finish would suit her, but I don’t think I’ll be backing due to the conditions todayYou were saying?
She never quite got going today.
Elusive Wave wins
Fantasia had every chance but just didn’t have the speed which perhaps isn’t entirely surprising when you look at her breeding she is bred for half a mile further. Those she beat at Newmarket were awful in terms of group class. The Rainbow View / Fantasia form was never as strong as the media bandwagon indicated. Proportional took the eye running on but again looks to need further. Elusive Wave given a good ride from the front and was a deserved winner.
Tamazirite looked a touch unlucky to me. Might well have won the same race in England where jockeys are not so frightned of being thrown out so "force" the gaps a touch more.
Fantasia had every chance but just didn’t have the speed which perhaps isn’t entirely surprising when you look at her breeding she is bred for half a mile further. Those she beat at Newmarket were awful in terms of group class. The Rainbow View / Fantasia form was never as strong as the media bandwagon indicated. Proportional took the eye running on but again looks to need further. Elusive Wave given a good ride from the front and was a deserved winner.
Ian, with all due respect thats a bit of aftertiming there
We all believed that both these were decent fillies at some point. it wasnt
just
a media bandwagon
Fantasia had every chance but just didn’t have the speed which perhaps isn’t entirely surprising when you look at her breeding she is bred for half a mile further. Those she beat at Newmarket were awful in terms of group class. The Rainbow View / Fantasia form was never as strong as the media bandwagon indicated. Proportional took the eye running on but again looks to need further. Elusive Wave given a good ride from the front and was a deserved winner.
Ian, with all due respect thats a bit of aftertiming there
We all believed that both these were decent fillies at some point. it wasnt
just
a media bandwagon
I had Rainbow View rated 111 on last years form six pounds below RPR. If you look at the horses that finished behind her in all of her races they are horses rated less than 100 in some cases way less. Also look at the horses Fantasia beat at Newmarket the second had an RPR of 79 going into that race.
If you look through the 1000 Guineas thread when some people were looking for the "second to Rainbow View" for the 1000 Guineas I did state that she was far from a certainty to win it and that she hadn’t achieved a rating that would win her a 1000 Guineas.
There are some people now blaming the ground and some even fancying her for the Oaks – she will not stay 1.5 miles and whatever the ground she isn’t quite as good as people thought she was though she may improve four or five pounds on her 1000 Guineas run which wasn’t to her peak IMO.
Fantasia I do think will get further.
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Good things come to those that wait
5/1 about a horse that should have started around 2/1 IMOOnce again we see just how carried away punters get with these Mickey Mouse early season results.
I said it then and I will say it again beating bad horses makes good horses look like great ones and the bookies drive the nail in as far as they can.
Come the day they end up exposed and more often than not find one or two to beat them.
Fantasia was Rainbow View’s inferior last season and most likely still is. The latter gets beat at Newmarket and they send her inferior of at 8/11
Both Delegator and to a greater extent Fantasia are classic examples of newspaper and TV commentators hyping up horses after winning moderate races and bookies cutting prices right to the bone.
4/5 Fantasia is a nonsense. She beat a bunch of horse who would have been more at home in a Ripon Handicap. The form is worth nothing when it comes to this class.
This horse wasn’t in the same class as Rainbow View last season and I doubt she will prove to be anywhere near as good as her this year.
I really think she will get stuffed in this by the locals.
Proportional may have beaten Elusive Wave but she took a long time to get going in that race for some reason. The next time she ran she made all and ran them ragged.
I think she will appreciate every yard of this mile, even moreso than Proportional and be way too good for her and Fantasia.
Well done Fist, she did it well, and thats coming from a man thats well
p****d off with the French stewards!With all the Fantasia hype the 7/2 available just now may not be the best price going when the other bookies open. So I won’t bet her now and hopefully there will be a bit of 4’s going soon.
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Fantasia had every chance but just didn’t have the speed which perhaps isn’t entirely surprising when you look at her breeding she is bred for half a mile further. Those she beat at Newmarket were awful in terms of group class. The Rainbow View / Fantasia form was never as strong as the media bandwagon indicated. Proportional took the eye running on but again looks to need further. Elusive Wave given a good ride from the front and was a deserved winner.
I’m not so sure about Rainbow View Ian. I was one of the first to say she wouldn’t win the 1000 guineas but I think I was wrong in the sense we haven’t seen the best of her by a long way this season. Fantasia is what she is and there can be no excuses IMO Everyone said she had improved To put it simply they were wrong.
If you look through the 1000 Guineas thread when some people were looking for the "second to Rainbow View" for the 1000 Guineas I did state that she was far from a certainty to win it and that she hadn’t achieved a rating that would win her a 1000 Guineas.
C’est moi.
I must say, although I am hoping Rainbow View will vastly improve for running on better ground, I see absolutely no reason why Rainbow View should be single figure odds for the Oaks – leave alone disputing favouritism.
Fantasia’s deceived her loyal backers – I reserved judgment on her class at a mile against Group 1 horses, and don’t think she could have rounded up Ghanaati.
The race will stand the test of quality IMO – the favourites have run to form and although it’s devoid of a superstar like Zarkava, we’ve got a handful of above-average contenders instead.
Might be one of the better Coronation Stakes if Ghanaati vs. Elusive Wave.
5/1 about a horse that should have started around 2/1 IMO
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