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  • #2096
    aidanldrebin
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    Who got him at 12s? I did and I suspect a few of you did!!!

    #65625
    heffo
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    see thread you started on it lower down aidan

    and yeah I have a fookin smug look on me face…. ;)

    (Edited by heffo at 4:34 pm on June 20, 2007)

    #65626
    benbdb
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    nice, quite a day he’s had!

    #65628
    gamble
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    :old:

    by the white hairs of my beard<br> am I fookin blind<br> I missed him

    #65629
    Money on
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    I like your modesty Aidan :biggrin:  Yoou dont hear me or Lets Get Racing bragging about us tipping Barshiba at 16s yesterday :argue:

    #65630
    andyod
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    When did modesty become a virtue in racing?

    #65631
    Wallace
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    I think the fact the Fortune is top of the table at Ascot this week highlights horses win races and jockeys are bit part players.  He’s a run of the mill pro jockey who has been lucky to be riding more of the better horses than others.

    #65632
    gamble
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     :old:

    fortune favours the brave<br> Little Plum

    #65633
    FlatSeasonLoverFlatSeasonLover
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    *sighs at another thread started on ego*

    #65634
    Artemis
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    Quote: from Wallace on 9:03 pm on June 21, 2007[br]I think the fact the Fortune is top of the table at Ascot this week highlights horses win races and jockeys are bit part players.  He’s a run of the mill pro jockey who has been lucky to be riding more of the better horses than others.

    I can’t agree with either of the above statements, Wallace.

    Most trainers will tell you that jockeyship is often the difference between victory and defeat, and they will go to great lengths to obtain the services of the best jockeys.

    I know you won’t change your mind on jockeys, but you then go on to say that Fortune is a run of the mill pro. They are all run of the mill in your scheme: none have exceptional talent.

    Actually, Fortune has been in my top ten jockeys for about three years. The fact that he is John Gosden’s stable jockey puts him there by right. Gosden stuck with him despite Fortune’s severe back problems two seasons ago. Says an awful lot.  <br>

    #65635
    seabird
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    "Most trainers will tell you that jockeyship is often the difference between victory and defeat, and they will go to great lengths to obtain the services of the best jockeys."

    …………………whereas some trainers refer to them as "necessary evils"!;)

    Colin

    #65636
    benbdb
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    I’d agree that a good ride can make the difference in some cases but in others the horses are going to win no matter whose on them like Naninna the other day. I mean I could have ridden Authorized to win the Derby (not literally but you get the picture)

    #65637
    madman marz
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    "But if it was the so called King Kieran, riding all those winners" god spare me !, I shudder at the thought. :(

    #65638
    Wallace
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    Artemis, I very much doubt trainers view of jockeyship being the difference between winning and losing.  They are ignoring the key element; the horse!  I also think the vast majority of trainers don’t have a clue about a horse having a chance or not.

    I do think there is virtually nothing to choose between the top 20 or 30 pro jockeys.  I have spent a lot of time trying to devise a method of separating the input by the jockey from the ability of the horse and don’t believe there is one.  I know John Whitely has worked on this for years and produces a jockey handicap but I’m still not convinced.  From my research I do believe some jockeys do particularly well at certain tracks and this is easy to understand and is worth a few pounds.

    This week at Ascot Jimmy Fortune has been lucky so far and is top of the table.  Nothing to do with his ability compared to the likes of Kinnane, Spencer or Dettori.<br>

    #65639
    cormack15cormack15
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    My own view is that there is a fair amount between the top jockeys (Fallon, Murtagh, Dettori, Kinane) and those at the other end of a hypothetical  ‘top 30’. The key differences, IMO, between the best and the rest are strength, judgement of pace and ability to remain cool under extreme pressure.  

    However, do good horses make good jockey or is it more correct to state that good horses make jockeys look good.  <br>

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