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Hello there,
I may be asking for a bit much here, but does anyone perchance know of – or can provide me with – a list of the jumps fixtures in the following territories, please?
Germany <br>Channel Islands<br>Switzerland<br>Belgium
If the jumps-only criterion would reduce each list to a tiny figure, then mixed cards would also be of interest.
The countries are listed in order of importance to me: in particular, I’d love to take in some of what remains (i.e. not much) of the jumps programme in Germany and know from the RP form of certain Germany-to-Britain imports roughly which tracks still race over the sticks. However, whilst maintaining a complete fixture list, the otherwise fine IRBRacing website doesn’t indicate the code of each meeting.
I’m particularly wanting to get myself over to Neuss next January, as there are definitely some jumps meetings there at that time of year, but the course’s official website isn’t especially forthcoming with the finer details. Given the course also plays host to the rather different discipline of floodlit all-weather racing around the same time, I’d quite like to make sure I get the right stuff!
Thanks in advance,
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
(Edited by graysonscolumn at 2:57 pm on June 27, 2007)
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Jeremy,
For Germany, why not try emailing the Von Der Recke yard?
They have a nice enough website, with a smaller English version, and I reckon if anyone knows, they would…
I caught some of the jump racing at Hamburg yesterday in work Jeremy. To say it looked primitive is something of an understatement. Also there’s a lake at Hamburg for some of the races – certainly makes things interesting :)
Hello – last winter there were 9 hurdles races at Neuss. Unfortunately for you the most they had on any card was one race. There were no hurdle races the previous winter at Neuss. In November 2005 there were 2 listed hurdles at Munich but I can find no trace of any in November 2006.
There aren’t many jumps races each year in Germany. So few that I can’t even produce standard times for each track.
Switzerland’s newest racetrack is the "Institut Equestre National Avenches," known to the locals as Avenches. <br>Established in September 1999, this state-of-the-art equestrian facility features hurdle, steeplechase, flat and trotting racing. <br>Located in the French-speaking part of Switzerland it features three main racing surfaces and four training surfaces, with 350 stalls. <br>:cheerful: <br>There are now 11 racing facilities twoâ€â€Â
Cheddy – a serious question but how straight is the racing at Neuss? Only seen it a few times and the betting patterns in one particular race I saw, fav went from 1/20 to 1/8 in one move and another came from 20/1 into 7/1 (I think) at the same time.
The backed horse went off like a steam train and never saw anothe horse, whilst the 1/8 shot finished on the bridle and well in second.
You should try going to Waregem in Belgium – home to the Grand Steeplechase des Flandres (where they jump across part of a small lake). Have a look at http://www.turf-be.com and go to hippodromes for more info and numbers (most Belgians speak English). Usually run either end of August or early September.
For Germany you could always go to Baden-Baden to see their mix of top class flat racing and jumping.
Days at Baden-Baden with jumping include:
August 25th – A listed hurdle race over 2 miles on same card as Group 3.<br>August 26th – A 2 1/4 mile chase on same card as Group 2 sprint<br>August 31st – A 2 3/4 mile listed hurdle on same card as Group 3.<br>Sept 2nd – A Listed chase over 2m 6 1/2 furlongs on same card as Grosser Preis von Baden (Gr.1). I’ve been that day and the jumpers had to do a tricky manoeuver up a steep hill and behind some trees as I remember it.<br>Oct 19th – A listed chase over 2m 1f on same card as Group 3
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Thanks for information so far, all of you!
Aye, I suspected I’m targetting a fairly small number of races (I believe there are fewer than 100 races over jumps in Germany each year, never mind meetings), hence the request for mixed meetings as well if necessary. Emailing Christian vdR sounds like a good plan.
I can well believe the Hamburg fare was a bit basic – the pictures of hurdle races at Neuss on the course’s website suggested the obstacles there are essentially brush hurdles, but with notably spartan packing of brush.
By coincidence I’ve got a long weekend planned in Hamburg at the start of October, although whether I can talk Mrs Column into a trip up the Elbe to the races at Bremen on the 7th (likely trade-off: I buy all the beers for the remainder!) will remain to be seen.
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Quote: from Kingston Town on 3:44 pm on June 27, 2007[br]Switzerland’s newest racetrack is the "Institut Equestre National Avenches," known to the locals as Avenches. <br>Established in September 1999, this state-of-the-art equestrian facility features hurdle, steeplechase, flat and trotting racing. <br>Located in the French-speaking part of Switzerland it features three main racing surfaces and four training surfaces, with 350 stalls. <br>:cheerful: <br>There are now 11 racing facilities twoâ€â€Â
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Irish Stamp – I’ve found German racing to be fairly clean. Whenever there’s reports of stewards enquiring into so-called ‘improved form’ it’s almost always a case of a) the horse running no better than last few runs but just in weaker race (according to my ratings) or b) trainer’s explanation backed up by form of horse in past e.g. better at 10f or soft ground.<br>As for old-fashioned Curley-style gambles they don’t really happen that often and when they do there’s not really a suspicion of the whole race being fixed. With a weak Tote and the few fixed odds bookies in Germany taking only small bets at 4% a runner it’s actually quite difficult to win a lot.<br>The main problem in Germany is the almost total lack of racing information available to the public. In the UK you have dozens of ratings, half a dozen databases, RP write-ups etc etc. If there’s a substantial price move in Germany it’s more likely to be because the price is wrong rather than anything untoward or any plot taking place.<br>As for the Neuss race in question – if it was a hurdle then the 2nd placed runner was possibly called Quiron and lost by 1.75 lengths in a hurdle at 1/5. If not get back and I should be able to find it and watch the video again.
Quote: from Adrian on 3:57 pm on June 27, 2007[br]You should try going to Waregem in Belgium – home to the Grand Steeplechase des Flandres (where they jump across part of a small lake).  Have a look at http://www.turf-be.com and go to hippodromes for more info and numbers (most Belgians speak English).  Usually run either end of August or early September.
For Germany you could always go to Baden-Baden to see their mix of top class flat racing and jumping.
Days at Baden-Baden with jumping include:
August 25th – A listed hurdle race over 2 miles on same card as Group 3.<br>August 26th – A 2 1/4 mile chase on same card as Group 2 sprint<br>August 31st – A 2 3/4 mile listed hurdle on same card as Group 3.<br>Sept 2nd – A Listed chase over 2m 6 1/2 furlongs on same card as Grosser Preis von Baden (Gr.1).  I’ve been that day and the jumpers had to do a tricky manoeuver up a steep hill and behind some trees as I remember it.<br>Oct 19th – A listed chase over 2m 1f on same card as Group 3 <br>
<br>All noted, ta! Isn’t the Waregem race their near-equivalent of the Velka Pardubice? I seem to remember one or two banks specialists from the UK and Ireland having been pointed at this contest in the past.
I’ve got very vague recollections of watching something approximating a steeplechase at Baden-Baden on telly during a family holiday to Germany nearly 20 years ago – that would have been around mid-August. Hmm, it’s all coming back to me now!
Jeremy<br>(graysonscolumn)<br>
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
In 2005 there were 67 jumps races run in Germany, 54 in Switzerland and 4 in Belgium.
It was an all-weather race Cheddy. About 2 years ago but couldn’t be totally sure of the exact time of year.
Baden Baden have race meetings in May(6 days),August(6 days) and October(3 days),they have one jump race everyday,usually towards the end of the day as Tote turnover on such races are moderate.
Most of the smaller tracks have a jumps course,Mannheim is interesting and they usually have one or two jump races per meeting and it`s usually the best race on the card,Czech and Polish horses usually join the party!!
Bad Harzburg in the east of Germany make a point of having several jump races during their two week meeting,some of the races are called “Seejagd“ which means they go through a small lake during the race,if you saw Hamburg you would have seen similiar.
Munich put up hurdles now and then for the occassional race.
Muelheim have a seperate course but its not used that often!!
Bremen have a few races,Saarbrucken too but it`s pretty rural!!
Nearly forgot Krefeld which is pretty important has many of the jumpers are trained on the track there!!<br>Hope that helps!!
Quote: from Irish Stamp on 3:57 pm on June 27, 2007[br]Cheddy – a serious question but how straight is the racing at Neuss?  Only seen it a few times and the betting patterns in one particular race I saw, fav went from 1/20 to 1/8 in one move and another came from 20/1 into 7/1 (I think) at the same time.
That was probably more indicative of me "dropping a rick" when I worked at SIS rather than a wholesale gamble.
<br>The backed horse went off like a steam train and never saw anothe horse, whilst the 1/8 shot finished on the bridle and well in second.<br>
I am definitely going to a race meeting held on snow in Switzerland when i get back!
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