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I only bet on Bet365 (i’ve been in a betting shop about twice in the past year) and had a couple of small bets on Betfair and one biggish (for me) one: Synchronised at Cheltenham (how long ago that seems), which won me back my week’s losses (I think my only other decent winner was Rock on Ruby), about £500 quid, which would have come from the Bet365 figures below.
1 January – 9 October 2012
Staked: 7,276.19
Return: 6,643.38Deposited: 6,247.12
Withdrew: 5,703.27BUT Ginge, lets talk about the despised Flat:
1st June – 9 Oct 2012:
Staked: 2,986.09
Return: 3,604.59Deposit: 2,914.00
Withdrew: 3,501.54Cheaper than beer! Ranging over the bets, if I hadn’t bet a ridiculous amount of trixies and yankees, I feel I would have been well in profit: I can’t stop multiples, they seem the only way to really have it off big time.
Your very first line say’s it all for me. You criticise Ginger, Tom Segal etc but it is clear you have no concept of what value betting is. You only bet on bet365, why not bet on other sites so you can get the best prices. You have a pop at pricewise because he didn’t tip certain winners but just can’t seem to grasp that the likes of him, Hugh Taylor, Ginger and others are not looking for the most likely winner when they place a bet.
You say you are an honest punter, I have to ask, are you ? You seem to blame everyone else other than yourself when you have a bad time. You have constantly hinted at skulduggery etc in the past. You appear to me to be just like those betting shop punters who blame the jockey, say the race is fixed,anything but admit it is their own ability that is lacking.
Maybe it’s time you looked at your own betting and why the horses have lost and try to start understanding value. Listen to Ginger, read Hugh Taylor and try to understand how they come to their selections. In the past I think it was you that made a comment that you never bet on a horse if it is under a certain price. Another clue that you don’t understand odds and value.
In one of his books Dave Nevison said ‘Making a profit on a race is very different from tipping the horse you think is most likely to win, but that is a concept most punters find difficult to grasp. They either can’t grasp it, or don’t want too…’ I think you are one of them.
Prof , best stop now before the real dross kicks in , wolver, southwell, Leafy , Kempton , all class 6 for your perusal
The banned and the future banned all do battle to relieve you of your cash , but then again our whole funding process is based on punter losses , so its good news all round (except for punters )
better to go to your local bookie , stick 5000 into the roulette machine ….you have more chance of collecting than betting on that lot
Take out Frankel , the best ever ….and yes a pretty despicable flat season ….
Good news
is proper racing will start soon and all those flat muppets can continue to bleed money ……good , they will never learnFor the record the last bet I had was on Hunt Ball ….yep sod the cows that was good for sure …..
at least you lost the minimum
IMO of course
Ricky
Prof,
As I’ve said already, any "profit" you make won’t last long. Listen to Ken, learn value betting and stop blaming others. Think I’d better not comment any further.Value Is EverythingYour very first line say’s it all for me. You criticise Ginger, Tom Segal etc but it is clear you have no concept of what value betting is. You only bet on bet365, why not bet on other sites so you can get the best prices. You have a pop at pricewise because he didn’t tip certain winners but just can’t seem to grasp that the likes of him, Hugh Taylor, Ginger and others are not looking for the most likely winner when they place a bet.
You say you are an honest punter, I have to ask, are you ? You seem to blame everyone else other than yourself when you have a bad time. You have constantly hinted at skulduggery etc in the past. You appear to me to be just like those betting shop punters who blame the jockey, say the race is fixed,anything but admit it is their own ability that is lacking.
Maybe it’s time you looked at your own betting and why the horses have lost and try to start understanding value. Listen to Ginger, read Hugh Taylor and try to understand how they come to their selections. In the past I think it was you that made a comment that you never bet on a horse if it is under a certain price. Another clue that you don’t understand odds and value.
In one of his books Dave Nevison said ‘Making a profit on a race is very different from tipping the horse you think is most likely to win, but that is a concept most punters find difficult to grasp. They either can’t grasp it, or don’t want too…’ I think you are one of them.
I’d safe your breath, or your words
, on the prof.He’s got Kaleidoscope eyes when it comes to punting.
Don’t get my meaning try this link
Your very first line say’s it all for me. You criticise Ginger, Tom Segal etc but it is clear you have no concept of what value betting is. You only bet on bet365, why not bet on other sites so you can get the best prices. You have a pop at pricewise because he didn’t tip certain winners but just can’t seem to grasp that the likes of him, Hugh Taylor, Ginger and others are not looking for the most likely winner when they place a bet.
You say you are an honest punter, I have to ask, are you ? You seem to blame everyone else other than yourself when you have a bad time. You have constantly hinted at skulduggery etc in the past. You appear to me to be just like those betting shop punters who blame the jockey, say the race is fixed,anything but admit it is their own ability that is lacking.
Maybe it’s time you looked at your own betting and why the horses have lost and try to start understanding value. Listen to Ginger, read Hugh Taylor and try to understand how they come to their selections. In the past I think it was you that made a comment that you never bet on a horse if it is under a certain price. Another clue that you don’t understand odds and value.
In one of his books Dave Nevison said ‘Making a profit on a race is very different from tipping the horse you think is most likely to win, but that is a concept most punters find difficult to grasp. They either can’t grasp it, or don’t want too…’ I think you are one of them.
Kenny, you just don’t like me because I refuse to be a wide-eyed believer and because I take the piss out of a very po-faced sport. If I have no concept of value betting I would be wiped out, backing favourites and mug money horses. But I don’t. I’m only interested in decent prices. Perhaps my ultimate example this year of value was this race, you may remember it:
1st
8 Rock On Ruby (IRE)
P F Nicholls
7
11-10 t
N Fehily
11/1
Tracked leaders, went 2nd after 5th, challenged 2 out, soon led and ridden, kept on well flat, pulling away towards finish opened 10/1 touched 12/1
2nd
3¾
7 Overturn (IRE)
D McCain Jnr
8
11-10
J M Maguire
20/1
Led, pushed along and joined 2 out, soon headed, kept on under pressure flat, no impression on winner opened 25/1 touched 25/1
3rd
1¾
4 Hurricane Fly (IRE)
W P Mullins
8
11-10
R Walsh
4/6f
Held up towards rear, headway 3 out, went 3rd 2 out, soon ridden, 3 lengths off winner last, stayed on, no impression on front pair opened 8/11 touched 8/11 £10000-£12000 £4166-£5000 £24000-£30000 £16000-£20000 £10000-£12500(x2) £8000-£10000 £4000-£5000(x3) £2000-£2500(x2) £800-£1000(x6) £8000-£11000(x2) £4000-£5500(x10) £1600-£2200(x4) £800-£1100(x9) £8000-£1200 £4000-£6000(x2) £2000-£3000 £800-£1200(x2)
Now think about the money that got done in the offices. All proper crinkled-mouthed ‘experts’, just like on here.
Prof , best stop now before the real dross kicks in , wolver, southwell, Leafy , Kempton , all class 6 for your perusal
The banned and the future banned all do battle to relieve you of your cash , but then again our whole funding process is based on punter losses , so its good news all round (except for punters )
better to go to your local bookie , stick 5000 into the roulette machine ….you have more chance of collecting than betting on that lot
Take out Frankel , the best ever ….and yes a pretty despicable flat season ….
Good news
is proper racing will start soon and all those flat muppets can continue to bleed money ……good , they will never learnFor the record the last bet I had was on Hunt Ball ….yep sod the cows that was good for sure …..
at least you lost the minimum
IMO of course
Ricky
I don’t think I did bad really considering the amount of multiples I did. I’m down about 400 quid on the year. Over every saturday from jan to now that works out to about a tenner a week. ******* sight cheaper than watching football at the ground.
They have all decided to make me into this straw man figure who plays FOBTs and doesn’t ‘understand value’. I never touch FOBTs. When I play roulette I go to a casino in central london.
These old timers HATE anyone criticising their sport. Well, it’s my hobby too and it can be one hell of a pi sser. Grown ups and real people admit this. Anoraks won’t.
To my mind, and as I understand it to D Nevison’s, value is when a horse’s chance is far greater than its price. Horse is 7/2 when it should 5/2 or less. Etc. Some of these old timers think they have stumbled on a cross between Fermat’s Last Theorum and the Elixir of Eternal Life when they finally grasp that rather obvious concept. Hilarious.Your very first line say’s it all for me. You criticise Ginger, Tom Segal etc but it is clear you have no concept of what value betting is. You only bet on bet365, why not bet on other sites so you can get the best prices. You have a pop at pricewise because he didn’t tip certain winners but just can’t seem to grasp that the likes of him, Hugh Taylor, Ginger and others are not looking for the most likely winner when they place a bet.
You say you are an honest punter, I have to ask, are you ? You seem to blame everyone else other than yourself when you have a bad time. You have constantly hinted at skulduggery etc in the past. You appear to me to be just like those betting shop punters who blame the jockey, say the race is fixed,anything but admit it is their own ability that is lacking.
Maybe it’s time you looked at your own betting and why the horses have lost and try to start understanding value. Listen to Ginger, read Hugh Taylor and try to understand how they come to their selections. In the past I think it was you that made a comment that you never bet on a horse if it is under a certain price. Another clue that you don’t understand odds and value.
In one of his books Dave Nevison said ‘Making a profit on a race is very different from tipping the horse you think is most likely to win, but that is a concept most punters find difficult to grasp. They either can’t grasp it, or don’t want too…’ I think you are one of them.
To my mind, and as I understand it to D Nevison’s, value is when a horse’s chance is far greater than its price. Horse is 7/2 when it should 5/2 or less. Etc. Some of these old timers think they have stumbled on a cross between Fermat’s Last Theorum and the Elixir of Eternal Life when they finally grasp that rather obvious concept. Hilarious.
Your very first line say’s it all for me. You criticise Ginger, Tom Segal etc but it is clear you have no concept of what value betting is. You only bet on bet365, why not bet on other sites so you can get the best prices. .
I really cannot be arsed to go somewhere else to get 11s when I can get 10s without ball-ache. Go mad, fellas, put an extra tenner on.
Pricewise is overrated, statement of fact. If I get a chance I will go back and cross ref some of my big price winners to days when he’s tipped some horse that if he’d bothered to read the form he would have known would not win. He doesn’t read form, you do know that don’t you? He just watches tapes. He and his acolytes get caught out time and time again by ground conditions.
It ain’t called the Turf for nothing, boys!
You forgot to mention that the almost religious following that some of the pricewise disciples adhere to can afford the bookmakers to shorten up one of his selections without impunity. Like any religion, if enough people believe then the mindless herd will follow.
You forgot to mention that the almost religious following that some of the pricewise disciples adhere to can afford the bookmakers to shorten up one of his selections without impunity. Like any religion, if enough people believe then the mindless herd will follow.
I know nothing about Pricewise but I’d be willing to guess that these ‘sheep’ have made money off his selections?
In which case, I’m struggling to see why they are ‘mindless’?
Mike
Keep digging prof and you’ll be able to see the Melbourne Cup without having to pay to fly there.
Your very first line say’s it all for me. You criticise Ginger, Tom Segal etc but it is clear you have no concept of what value betting is. You only bet on bet365, why not bet on other sites so you can get the best prices. You have a pop at pricewise because he didn’t tip certain winners but just can’t seem to grasp that the likes of him, Hugh Taylor, Ginger and others are not looking for the most likely winner when they place a bet.
You say you are an honest punter, I have to ask, are you ? You seem to blame everyone else other than yourself when you have a bad time. You have constantly hinted at skulduggery etc in the past. You appear to me to be just like those betting shop punters who blame the jockey, say the race is fixed,anything but admit it is their own ability that is lacking.
Maybe it’s time you looked at your own betting and why the horses have lost and try to start understanding value. Listen to Ginger, read Hugh Taylor and try to understand how they come to their selections. In the past I think it was you that made a comment that you never bet on a horse if it is under a certain price. Another clue that you don’t understand odds and value.
In one of his books Dave Nevison said ‘Making a profit on a race is very different from tipping the horse you think is most likely to win, but that is a concept most punters find difficult to grasp. They either can’t grasp it, or don’t want too…’ I think you are one of them.
Kenny, you just don’t like me because I refuse to be a wide-eyed believer and because I take the piss out of a very po-faced sport.
1. My names Ken
2. I never said I don’t like you, I don’t know you.
3. Not quite sure you take the piss out of the sport rather than just moan about it.
Your very first line say’s it all for me. You criticise Ginger, Tom Segal etc but it is clear you have no concept of what value betting is. You only bet on bet365, why not bet on other sites so you can get the best prices. .
I really cannot be arsed to go somewhere else to get 11s when I can get 10s without ball-ache. Go mad, fellas, put an extra tenner on.
Pricewise is overrated, statement of fact. If I get a chance I will go back and cross ref some of my big price winners to days when he’s tipped some horse that if he’d bothered to read the form he would have known would not win. He doesn’t read form, you do know that don’t you? He just watches tapes. He and his acolytes get caught out time and time again by ground conditions.
It ain’t called the Turf for nothing, boys!
If you’d have shopped around for every race you’ve bet on this year you’d have turned your £400 loss into a profit.
At the level of stakes your betting it’s got to be costing you £100’s of pounds.
is proper racing will start soon and all those flat muppets can continue to bleed money ……good , they will never learn
, on the prof.
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