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Flat horse from the 40’s / 50.s ‘The Bug’

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  • #13333
    nelson72
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    Has any one got any info on this horse please?

    I have tryed the net but no luck

    #260737
    apracing
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    Courtesy of the Telegraph Chronicle of Horse Racing, I can tell you he won the 1946 July Cup at Newmarket as a 3-y-old, ridden by Charlie Smirke, starting 8/11 fav, beating the 1945 winner Honeyway, who had to give him 18lbs.

    It mentions that The Bug was trained in Ireland, but doesn’t name the trainer.

    AP

    #260804
    insomniac
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    He also won the 1946 Wokingham Stakes (no info on trainer or jockey) as a 3-y-o carrying 8st 7lb at 7/1 against 20 opponents.
    He must have raced on for a few more seasons as his first crop raced in 1951. He had 7 runners representing him and he finished 7th in the list of 1st season sires. His progeny won 4 races that year in GB & Ireland (1 colt and 2 fillies were winners), earning a total of £1,770. His stud fee was £199 – 1 shilling.
    Can’t get any more details yet (all this was from "The Racing Review 1952). He had a yearling sell at Goffs ( a chestnut colt) to Sir V. Sassoon for 1,600gns – the mare was Hunter’s Cloud.
    Haven’t had time to delve around too much, hope to have a bit more time next week, but have got rid of a lot of my old racing books so am not too optimistic of finding much.
    I have a sneaky feeling that this animal, in spite of being a sprinter, features in the pedigree of an outstanding NH performer. Haven’t a clue why I think that, it just rings a bell.

    #260805
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    From googling:-www.racenewsonline…

    "Irish punters took some £50000 out of the betting ring in 1946 when The Bug won the Wokingham at 7/1."

    "David Wachman
    David Wachman is not the first member of his family to make a splash in the racing world. His grandfather Norman was a famous punter who owned The Bug, a sprinter who cantered home in the 1946 Wokingham Handicap at Royal Ascot as a three-year-old to land a gamble that would be worth more than �1 million in today�s money. The Bug went on to win the July Cup, Nunthorpe Stakes and Diadem Stakes"

    From carlow.tcm:-
    The war put a stop to Royal Ascot until 1946. However, ‘Ginger’ Wellesley, then training in the Phoenix Park, had a ‘flying machine’ in The Bug, owned by David Wachman’s grandfather, Norman Wachman. Set to defy a weight at which no three-year-old had ever won the Wokingham Handicap, The Bug made all under Charlie Smirke to land his owner’s gamble at 7/1.

    #260806
    insomniac
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    1946 July Cup

    1946 The Bug 3-8-04 Norman Wachman Gerald Wellesley IRE Charlie Smirke 8/11F 3

    Better still, have a gander at this:-
    http://www.galopp-sieger.de/galoppsieger/en/pferd_html?pschl=The%20BugSignal%20Lig

    #260816
    Venusian
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    The Bug was the horse that helped to get Charlie Smirke’s career going after the war. He’d been having weight problems through lack of rides and rode over hurdles for a while.

    #260826
    Venusian
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    SIGNAL LIGHT Sire

    THE BUG

    FLYING METEOR Dam
    b 1943
    Poss American horse.

    No, UK and Irish breeding – the first American horse in his pedigree is Rhoda B, 4 generations back.

    #260842
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    We’ve come across Orby on the Classic Winning Owners’ Colours thread.

    Orby was owned by Richard Croker, who was a big wheel in Tammany Hall until basically he did a runner over here.

    Despite winning the Derby, Orby set up a line of sprinters.

    He was mated with Rhoda B in The Bug’s pedigree. . .
    [edit: sorry, on the Stella. Rhoda B was the dam of Orby, which makes it more likely that she was Croker’s.]

    presumably, Rhoda B was owned by Richard Croker, and he brought her over here?

    #260854
    Venusian
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    Yes, he brought her over along with Americus and also Dobbins, the horse that dead-heated with Domino in the famous match race but broke down before he could run here.

    There would be a good film to be made about "Boss" Croker.

    #260859
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    Stupid question Venusian, but you wouldn’t happen to know what Croker’s colours were, would you?

    #260867
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    Gerald , your devotion to the cause humbles me.

    cheers Sir.

    #260894
    insomniac
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    The Hug achieved a Timeform Rating of

    135

    #260896
    Avatar photoGerald
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    deleted.

    #260899
    Venusian
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    Venusian

    No, UK and Irish breeding – the first American horse in his pedigree is Rhoda B, 4 generations back.

    Strange coincidence same name same year of birth.
    Who have you got as sire and dam?

    Here is The Bug’s pedigree: http://www.pedigreequery.com/the+bug

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