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22/02/2003  –  16:15 Huntingdon
February
14/16 = 87% SR
6.68 LSP
(Edited by Matron at 4:29 pm on Feb. 22, 2003)
hi matron<br>looking good , keep the winners flowing<br>quicky if u dont mind<br>when doing the rolling doubles;when a double rolls on do u stake again on the next selection hence having two seperate bets running<br>cheers<br>carl<br>
congrats on a very good feb performance so far – the fav Isio today looks rock solid!
Thanks lads.
Carl, with "rolling doubles" just put your 1 pt stake on your first selection. If that wins, then place 1pt stake and the winnings from the first bet onto the second selection and then go back to level stakes for the third selection.
Example:-
19/02/2003 – 1 pt stake = Won 10-11 = returned 1.90pts (Stake 1pt + Profit 0.9pt)
21/02/2003 – 1.9 stake = Won Evs = returned 3.8pts (Stake 1.9pt + Profit 1.9pt)
(Profit over the 2 days is 2.8pts with rolling doubles compared to 1.9 at level stakes.)
22/02/2002 – Revert back 1pt
As I said before, the only way for "rolling doubles" to work is to maintain a very high strike rate. Like everything in life it doesn’t always goes smoothly and the system has had its "ups and downs" – so, please no putting on the "mortgage" money!
Regards- Matron<br>:cool:
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Wrong Matron my friend, a "rolling double" is continuous. It is exactly as 1pt level stakes on each horse only when you win, that portion of the bet carries forward to complete the double….. lets look at it as even money winners, its easier….<br>Feb 1st….  1st @ 1/1    1 pt staked.  returns = 2 pts.<br>2nd….  1st @ 1/1   the 2 pts on from yesterday, plus a 1pt win bet on for today and a start of another double.<br>This returns 4pts from the first bet and completes that bet because thats your first double, but you still have a further 2 pts from day 2 to carry onto day 3 in an attempt to get yet another double…….. so if you had 3 x 1/1 winners followed by a loser, you would have finished up with a profit of 8 points minus the 4 pts staked = a 4pt profit. If you had just done levels, you would have only a 2 pt profit……..  this method is only for turning poor value odds on shots, into something worth risking your money for cos 2 winners @ 8/11 when bet in this manner, will pay you 2/1. It aint worth the risk if your already getting good prices…….<br>:smiley:
MrE
cheers for clearing that up mrE<br>it is what i thought as u have explained it earlyer in the thread, it was just a problem finding it<br>what pecentage off winners miniumim would be needed for rolling doubles iyo<br>mrE/matron when selecting your race for fav do you genrally have a price restriction ie not lower than 1/3<br>or do u pick regardless of price<br>i ask u as well mrE as i understand u use a very similar method<br>respecting this is matrons board so to speak<br>matron superb selecting<br>cheers<br>carl
Hi Carl, Matron wont mind us hijacking his board, he’s too busy down the boozer on a Sunday…. :biggrin: <br>I can only speak for my own personal betting, but I usually try not to get any worse than 1/2, this is not always possible to control so I suppose I’d stretch to 1/3 but that would be a bit like running against the wind. For me, the success comes from never accepting a bet as being a winning bet until I have reached 2/1, so realistically, every winning bet for me is a MINIMUM of 2/1. Its quite easy to see the possibility of this way of turning "short" into something approaching "value", I NEVER stop a sequence until I’ve reached 2/1, after all, the real risk is only 1 point. A couple of examples…..<br>4/5 + 4/5 will return you 9/4…<br>2/5 + 1/2 + 1/2 will return 2/1…<br>and only last week when betting Del Burgess’ 5/4 system, I had a beauty with…<br>2/5 + 4/6 + 9/4, that paid me a very lipsmacking 13/2…<br>this method is well worth putting in your armoury if your a "shorty" punter, makes it all worthwhile….. and take no notice of anybody that tells you that you cant make money betting short, total crap. I’ve been betting using this method for over 10 years and I aint had a losing year, I’ve had crap months but never a losing year……. you wanted to know about strike rates, thats a tuffy. You need over 50% to guarantee you at least one double and one double wont do you any good at all. I personally wouldn’t entertain this form of betting if I couldn’t get close to 65%, 70% even better, Matron has to be getting close to this now. I would also chuck in some extras too, one a day is a bit too restrictive….. I hope this has helped a bit…..<br>:smiley:
MrE
If you carry onto a third selection sureley it is a rolling treble?
Still, "staking" is very much up to the individual to decide on and to be comfortable with.
As to regard to prices; I have no restrictions and this is why the lSP is low. As stated many times before, this selection method is never going produce great returns "as the whole world and his wife" have come to the same conclusion.
Regards – Matron<br>:cool:
Carl, Matron and anyone else thats furkling around in here, I’ve just checked on Matrons results so far for FEBRUARY….. on levels, Matron has a profit of 6.68 pts for an outlay of 15 points. For the same original outlay, the "rolling doubles" have returned 40.25 points, thats a profit of 25.25 points. IMO thats well worth the small risk,and lets be honest here, the way Matrons picking ’em at present, doubles and trebles are there for the taking aint they, so the risk is almost non existent……. Jeeez, I hope I aint put the "jeebies" on this Matron, its your own fault anyway, I’m still awaiting that promised delivery of those "V" tabs (in bulk)…..<br>:smiley: :smiley:
MrE<br>
Hey Matron, you snook in from the pub when I wasn’t looking…… yes, a rolling treble if the prices dictate that. The important thing is to get 2/1, that price I think is where the line is drawn, anything under that is hard work, over that is a risk too far….. are you still sober Matron, if you are you’ve got time to wrap that package……<br>:smiley:
MrE
Just having a bite to eat MrE.
I respect what you say about 2-1, but you ain’t going get them prices on this system – wouldn’t it be loveley to get this strike rate and selections at no less than 2-1!
Keep your fingers crossed MrE as we are on a roll at the moment – I think the difficult task will be when we change back over to the Flat again.
I have sent you package via the canal system due to its shape and size; according to the carriers "tracker" at their web site, your parcel is just passing London Zoo on the Regents Canal at a leisureley 3 mph. :laugh:
Regards- Matron<br>:cool:<br>
hi mrE<br>i understand your staking the only thing i will change is the fact u roll on all the time<br>i see no point if the single horse is over the 2/1<br>a 5/1 winner with nothing either side would be dissapointing?<br>crack on matron its a pity i can not view the internet during the day so i will have to pick my own and paper trade on this and see how i do<br>cheers<br>carl<br>ps maybe there is something in systems after all?<br>
carl,
regarding your systems comment…
systems are very good for providing you with a structured approach – and removing a lot of the emotional side to gambling
a note of caution though, do not develop systems or use systems that are not based upon sound rationale thinking, otherwise you probably lose in the long run – there needs to be a good principle or statistical reason at the core of every system
the other principle that you IMO rely on is that the system needs to make a level stakes profit – anything else just isnt worth the bother!
i personally use systematic methods but always ‘sense check’ the output
There’s just a couple of things to confirm on the above comments……<br>Carl…. I never said that you carry on staking doubles regardless of price. I stated quite strongly that the cut off price that your after is 2/1. If you achieve that price or better, its obvious that you dont carry it on because the 2/1 aim has been breached, so in that statement you are absolutely correct. I just dont want you to misconstrue and assume I am telling you or others to take unecessary risks. As already stated, 2/1 is the cut off, doubles are not required once that has been achieved……<br>tttracing…..  once again I must wholeheartedly agree, all this has been catagorically stated on earlier threads and I endorse that sentiment 120%. A good sound system is not a "Dream", there are a few good ‘uns that have withstood the test of time and are still paying dividends but the systems MUST be capable of making a profit at level stakes. Any staking plan is only there to enhance profits, it cannot turn a bad system good, they will only multiply your losses….. good point again tttracing…….<br>:smiley:
MrE
Just re read tttracings penultimate sentence where he stated that level stakes is the only way. Perhaps I misunderstood the manner in which it was written so I may have got hold of the wrong end of the stick, if I have, please accept my apologies. the statement says that levels is the only way, thats total and utter poppycock. Level stakes is the only way to assimilate and check out a system but only a novice would bet levels. I know of no pro who would bet this way, they use staking methods to achieve their goals. They alter their stakes to suit the odds they can get or even the conditions or the draw. they use their money in such a manner as to make a profit at the end of a given period or use it to "protect" their bank. so levels is not the answer to making a profit…….. probably started another free for all now, so I’ll sod off and leave Matron to clean up……. hehehehe…….<br>:smiley:
MrE
24/02/2003  –  14:45 Plumpton – 1st 2-5
February
15/17 = 88% SR
7.08 LSP
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(Edited by Matron at 2:56 pm on Feb. 24, 2003)
Hi MrE,<br>I use level stakes and vary the stake related to the size of the bank and strike rate of the system being used, i also compound the bank – but still using the principle of level stakes
level stakes – like any other way of wagering – is a staking system in its own right and i find that with the additions above it makes a pure and potent way of leveraging up the bank
we all have our ways and it sounds as if mine are not too disimilar to the ‘pro backer’ scenario in your mail in many ways – cant say its ruined my profits though!!;)
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