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[IanC]

Wednesdays results

2 from 3 @ 5/2 & 5/6

Running total  33/112  Stakes  112  Returns  72.95

Ian

[IanC]

Today ends the worst month of the three, but tomorrow’s November…..

Today we had 1 from 4 @ 11/10.

The final totals for the month are

GB  30/91  St 91  Ret 67.22   ROI -26.1%<br>IRE  4/25   St 25  Ret   7.83   ROI – 69.0%

TOTAL  34/116  SR  29%   St 116  Ret  75.05  ROI  – 35%

Ian   :(

(Edited by IanC at 7:48 pm on Oct. 31, 2002)

[IanC]

A profitable start to the month!!!

2 from 4 @ 6/4 & 4/7

Stakes 4 returns 4.07

Ian

[IanC]

Saturday’s results

1 from 5 @ 3/1

Running total  3/10  ST 10 returns 8.07

Ian<br>

[IanC]

Monday  0/2

Tuesday  1/3 @  4/6

Wenesday 0/3

Thursday  1/2   @ 5/4

Friday  2/4  @  9/10 & 1/1

Running total for November

7 from 24   Stakes 24  Returns 15.89

Ian

[IanC]

Saturday   2 from 5  @ 1/1 & 7/2<br>Sunday      1 from 2  @   4/6<br>Monday      0 from 3<br>Tuesday     1 from 3  @  9/4

Running total  11/37  Stakes 37  Returns  27.31

Ian C

[IanC]

Wednesday

Better day today  2 from 3 @ 11/4 & 10/11

Running total   13/40  Stakes 40  returns   32.97

Ian C<br>

[IanC]

Looks like it’s going to be another bad month.

Thursday   2 from 4   @  9/4 & 5/2<br>Friday        0 from 3<br>Saturday   0 from 4<br>Sunday      1 from 5   @  6/4<br>Monday      0 from 3<br>Tuesday     1 from 3   @  1/1

Running total

17 from 62  Stakes  62  Returns  44.22

<br>IanC

[IanC]

Catching up on results…

Wed 20     1/2 @ 3/1<br>Thu   21     2/3 @  6/5 & 13/8<br>Fri     22     1/2  @  8/11<br>Sat   23      2/4  @   5/2  &  11/10<br>Sun   24     1/4  @  5/2<br>Mon   25      1/3  @  7/2<br>Tue    26     1/3   @   6/4<br>Wed   27     2/3  @  7/4  &  7/4

Running total for month

28 wins from 86   Stakes  86  Returns  76.37

<br>IanC

[MrE]

Hi Ian, I’ve only just arrived back on the boards and it takes time to play catchup…… on just a quick read through this thread, it seems to me that the staking is all wrong. You must have a staking plan that suits your price range, your strike rate and your winning and losing sequences. You haven’t put down your exact results as 5/4… 6/4… 1/2… L… L…L… etc. so I cant really advise you but on the face of it Matron is correct and the answer in your case could be "rolling" doubles. You will be hard pressed to make a profit from betting short prices without a reasonable staking method in your armoury. I personally would never bet at odds less than 2/1 and you must roll your winnings forward until you achieve this, OK, you’ll miss a few winners and thats painful, but the profit figure at the end could, if your selection method is any good, bring a smile back to your face. If you continue with the staking your doing at the moment, its curtains…… :biggrin:  if you can put up Novembers winners and losers in their correct sequence, I’ll see if it’ll work for you………

MrE

[IanC]

Final results for November..

Thursday   1 from 4 @ 6/5<br>Friday        2 from 3  @  6/5 & 7/4<br>Saturday   1 from 6   @ 11/4

<br>Final totals for the month

GB   26 from 86  Returns £71.35 <br>IRE  6  from 13   Returns £15.92

Total for month  32 from 99 (SR 32.3%)  ROI  -11.84%

<br>Dear Mr E

Thank you for your observations and help.  I’ll post some notes in the next couple of days..

Ian C

[IanC]

Dear Mr E

Thank you for your observations.

Staking plans are great but it won’t be much assistance to me now, and I’ll explain why, but I will be posting results in sequence starting from November 1st.

I’m not able to be "in running" due to my present job.  This all started as a bit of amusement.  In July I was given 10 weeks notice of redundancy and put on "gardening leave" – not able to contact any of my customers and keep a low profile at home.  I still had my company car and phone, but it soon becomes tedious.  I was spending a lot of time on the phone job hunting, so the last thing I wanted to do was spend time on line, looking at racecards and stopping potential employers phoning up.  I used to go down to Uncle Bills and have a good read of the Racing Post and soak (choke?) up the atmosphere, and this little system just grew out of that.  Both August and September it actually showed me a profit on level stakes, probably more by luck than judgement   Plenty of bets!

My current job allows me to have an hours lunch and a good surf, but online betting is out.  What I thought I would do over the next few weeks is go back through the year for all the results; I can put them in order and also see if there is any pattern that would allow me to be more selective, which would be a different ball game.

Anyway, I’ll post Novembers results in sequence and report on the years results in the not too distant future.

Regards

Ian C

(Edited by IanC at 2:22 pm on Dec. 5, 2002)

[MrE]

On the contrary Ian, if you have access to a PC at home or you can get a bet on by phone, there is absolutely no reason why you can’t put the bet on before you go to work (or in your lunch break)….. you just put your horses down in order of time and just state the amount of doubles and the stake that you require….. the last horse will ALWAYS be just a straight win bet because thats the start of tomorrows doubles, look at it like this……  A.. B.. C.. D.. E.. F.. G.. H.. I.. J……<br>here you have 9 doubles and they are AB.. BC.. CD.. DE.. EF.. FG.. GH.. HI.. IJ….. thats 9 doubles. You then just place a WIN bet on the last horse because if that wins you will carry the winnings plus the stake onto the following days "A" and the continue again as above. It really is simple when you get the hang of it….. now let me stick it down in another way with the same 10 bets…….   L… L… 4/5… 4/5… 2/1… L… 4/6… L… 4/5… 7/4……   On level stakes you have a total return of 12.81, take away your 10 point stake and your left with a nice profit of 2.81pts and there’s nothing wrong with that. But if you take it a step further and used the "Rolling Doubles", for the same 10pt outlay you could have returned 16.30 points, a profit of 6.30 pts, now thats a much better ROI than levels. Yes, there’s a risk element but in the above scenario we’ve lost a winner (4/6) but we’re still well in front….. you require a good strike rate to pull this off on a regular basis and normally it fits the short prices like a glove…… and you can put the bet on before you go to work so that shouldn’t bother you…… now you just need to pick the winners……  :smiley:

MrE

[IanC]

Mr E

Thanks for your response, I’ll study it at length.  I was under the impression that you were creating rolling doubles, not by betting them as doubles, but puttings the winnings of race1 on race 2 etc.

For the month of December here are the results in sequence from Sunday through to Thursday.

Sun     L…..5/4     <br>Mon     L…..L…..2/1<br>Tue      L…..6/4<br>Wed    4/5…..3/1…..7/4<br>Thur    5/6…..L…..L…..L

That’s 7 from 14  at level stakes –  Stakes 14  returns 18.03

Will catch up with you later.

Ian C

[MrE]

I’m away for a few days…. we’ll play catchup on Sunday….. best of luck….<br>Just worked it out before going to bed, the "Rolling Double" would have returned you 27.74 points for the same 14pt outlay…. 13.74 points profit…… nice little earner……. G’night…. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

:smiley:

MrE

(Edited by MrE at 12:31 am on Dec. 6, 2002)

[IanC]

Mr E

See exactly where you’re coming from….

I can see exactly how you made it 27.74

Fridays results were  L…L…L…

Saturday 11/8…L…L…L…L…L

Monday  4/9….11/2 (lowest number!)

Will calculate the LS later and also the "Merds" – (Mr E’s rolling doubles)

<br>Ian C

[IanC]

Catch up time..

Adjustment to last post  missed Sundays Irish results which were

8/11…..L

<br>Carrying on….

Tuesday   L…..L…..L<br>Wednesday  L…..L<br>Thursday   L…..7/4…..L…..5/4<br>Friday    2/11…..L…..9/4

I reckon that’s 15 from 39  Stakes 39  returns at LS 39.61

With Mr E’s Rolling Doubles (Merds)  then the total would be 39.83

What I’m going to do is to roll it along from last race to first next day.  If there’s an Irish race at same time as mainland then the rule will be alphabetical.

Lets see what happens

<br>Ian C

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