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I understand fan bias
But it is also a massive bias from neutrals to label any disagreement from a rival fan on what happens as a bias
That is just pure lazyCharles Darwin to conquer the World
You’re right that not every disagreement from a fan is wrong, Nathan. Of course sometimes the criticism is valid. Just that fans need to think whether it is their sub-concious bias doing the talking if wanting to make a profit from his / her punting.
However, thinking that one or two decisions in a game should have gone the fan’s team’s way is one thing. Thinking refs have it in for the fan’s team is quite another.
Value Is EverythingVery if the shop I used to work in is anything to go by. It was in Wales and I saw some truly ridiculous bets on football and rugby both for Wales and against England, particularly the latter. The worst was probably someone betting on San Marino to beat England which is a dreadful bet at just about any price but I think it was only 100/1.
I would agree with that. I’d say there are two factors. Team sports generally get more passion out of people, there will always be an England or Liverpool or whoever else to support. An individual is around for 10-15 years, maybe 20 if they’re lucky so you don’t get quite the same inbuilt ‘lifelong’ connection. That will translate into bias (conscious or otherwise).
Secondly the rules tend to be much more open to interpretation in team sports. Think penalties, red cards etc in football, all sorts of rules in rugby and LBW in cricket. There will always be a debate and therefore a bias. Individual sports have many more matters of fact, the ball is in or out in tennis, the ball went in the hole or it didn’t in golf for example. A tennis umpire can’t start calling things wrong because he doesn’t like a player (whether or not some football referees do that is of course a matter of debate…)
Come on then Ginge
how on earth have VAR not ruled out that goal for City?
Beyond belief these officials this seasonCharles Darwin to conquer the World
Forget that, they have just explained it
seems a daft rule change as not even a split second that Mings touches it and he was pounced onCharles Darwin to conquer the World
Did seem a strange decision, Nathan. Have not seen the explanation.
It’s not that there isn’t any mistakes anyway. Bound to be some.
Just the number of mistakes is nowhere near what biased “fans” think… And the notion that refs have it in for their team – misguided.
Value Is EverythingYes Ginge, mistakes happen.
But VAR should wipe up the big whoppers
I’m thinking Van Dijk getting wiped out by Pickford. Pogba tripping himself up for exampleI can’t remember the explanation word for word but apparently once Mings was in control of the ball a second phase kicked in meaning Rodri was not deemed offside afterwards, although to me it was too quick to say Mings was in control of the ball in my opinion
Also that rule only in England
and another “interruption” so other refs or assistant refs can put the flag upCharles Darwin to conquer the World
Like they did with the handball they are now changing the rule on that offside incident that happened in the City/Villa game. Keep changing the rules mid season is a poor showing
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What do you expect when there was so much criticism of the Mings case?
From what I now understand of the old rules it was a borderline decision. If the new rules make it a more obvious decision then surely ia rule change is for the best?
You’ve got what you wanted.
Surely it is best to get the rules looking fair at the earliest possible moment?
If it was Liverpool who had the benefit of this one off decision would you really be so negative?
Rules have been the same for every club up to this point. Now they’re going to be the same for every club from this point.Yes, I do think the Van / Pick decision was wrong and not really a borderline decision either. It did come very early on in the season and possible refs were still learning the interpretation. However, VAR cuts out the vast majority of blatently wrong decisions. Yes, there will always be borderline decisions that could go either way. Trouble is a fan’s subconcious bias means any borderline decision that goes against his/her particular team is going to be thought by that fan as wrong.
Value Is EverythingVAR cuts out the vast majority of blatently wrong decisions
Not good enough
if its that blatant it should be all
And if they missed the Pickford one by mistake then retrospective decision should have been to suspend himIf it was Liverpool who had the benefit of this one off decision would you really be so negative?
I’ll let you know if we every get one…
The one I do remember was Milner a couple of yards offside the season before VAR came into play
The City game at Anfield where Fabinho scored it could have been ruled out for a previous incident but I’ll put that down to fan bias on they part
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It may be “not good enough” but VAR still has human error, Nathan.
Whether the VAR ref should’ve got a penalty (no pun intended)… possibly.
However, there’s always going to be the odd – what the f were they thinking – momwent. All we can hope for is they come very rarely… And they will be a lot rarer with VAR.Value Is EverythingThe Mings rule was only in England
so makes you wonder who decided to put it in to start with…
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I do think TV presenters make fans believe things are worse than they are. Often saying a decision is “wrong” – letting fans believe the decision was wrong by the rules… when what they actually mean is he / she (the presenter) does not believe the rule should exist.
Two borderline decisions in the Villa v Southampton game seemed correct to me – at least by the laws of the game. Instead of “we was robbed” more a case of “we was unfortunate”.
Value Is EverythingI’d say on the whole they are ref friendly. Most of them have refs somewhere that comment on decisions.
BT have Peter Walton (even he gets confused from time to time by the rules so you can understand why the fans get confused). Think skysports news normally run a ref watch every week. 99% agree with ref decision.
The handball rule changed at the start of the season having a penalty every time the ball hit a hand/arm accidental or not. I think that was a European wide rule but we changed it (rightly) The Southampton against Villa game looked a penalty as Cash made himself bigger stuck his arm out but was not given as the ball hit his knee first. I wasn’t convinced about that, thought it looked more a penalty than not.
Offside is offside (black and white) there is actually a grey area with offside via VAR as the freeze frame is not perfect when the pass is made on occasions the move forward or wind it back cannot be precise on contact.
I have my own view what I’d like to see regard offside but again it would still be a case of very fine lines
I like VAR
if they stopped VAR and went back to normal fans would moan that such and such if VAR was in etc
The emotion of taking away a goal and spoiling the moment is a fair point but if a linesperson flagged and replays showed it was in fact on side that would take away the joy.
My idea would be if you are level you are level, if the striker has a bigger toe than the defender it wouldn’t matter you are level. If the badge on your arm was off it wouldn’t matter because your body is level. A grey area would be better imo although I’m sure it would still cause problems.Charles Darwin to conquer the World
What part of the body “level“?
Does that include bum?
If not toes does it mean legs?
Does it include shoulders or just torso?
…And how level? If you say the freeze frame is not perfect on TV, is the VAR ref looking at that same screen or a clearer picture?
Shouldn’t level + a milimetre be enough? Because if not then how much should it be? If it should be level + a centimetre then level + 9 milimetres is on side… And if that is the case then it still comes down to a milimetre difference… Only this time in the wrong place.imo It should not be shoulder, just torso and bum (not feet or legs)… And exactly like a photo finish if the VAR ref can see a difference – even by enlarging the pic – fair is fair and offside is offside.
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