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That’s your story TAPK, though, like much of your inane fantasising, it’s a long way from the truth!
Always makes me annoyed when people slag this horse off. I don’t quite get why people have to be so adamant. Ok, he’s no Sea the Stars, but he’s a 4 time Group 1 winner – winning at 2, 3 and 4 at G1 level over 10F-12F. There are no crap 4 time G1 winners and he has earned those wins.
Interesting decision by Coolmore. they seem very reluctant to have additional Montjeu blood on their stallion roster. Not sure what benefit this will add to his stud career
Aye, he might just add a Queen Alexandra to the portfolio of soft races he’s won this season.
You with short memory! 2nd to the mighty Sea the Stars in the Derby,run away winner of the Irish Derby and impressive winner of this years Coronation Cup! Winner of 9 of his 15 starts,8 in Group company,4 of them Group 1! You are a poor judge reet,when will you learn?
How many of those wins were he odds on? 6 from 9, including one race where he was 1/12, He has beaten nothing. Irish Derby field was dire, Coronation Cup this year, he had perfect ground against a soft ground specialist (Sariska). Come on TAPK, accept defeat!
In the race itself, (which was clearly set up to accomodate his lack of toe) he beat the gp3 High Heeled (OR 115) by less than 3l, and earned an RPR some 3lb lower than that awarded in a poor Irish Derby, and 6lb lower than his own pb.
Hardly the performance of a world-beater, was it?It isn’t about what he did, it is how he did it. Would High Heeled have been within a furlong at the finish if ridden the same way as FAG? No way.
You seem to be devaluing the performance just because he set the pace. That increases the merit in my opinion. He did it the hardest way possible. Fame And Glory has the wrong assets to appeal to breeders, but is a racehorse to be admired all the same.
Come on TAPK, accept defeat!
Defeat means to lose a battle, being a King of honour i would graciously accept defeat when someone defeats me in such!Regarding
Fame and Glory
i backed him twice this year once for the Arc,a race that i still regard as one he is capable of winning if he had his optimum conditions and was trained to win it,ie had a prep like he did before the Coronation Cup,which was the other race i supported him in! He"s No Duke of Marmalade but he owes me nothing! This thread is basically about whether you are with him or against him,i"m defineately a fan but then again i know a Group 1 horse when i see one (Most of the time anyway)! Cue reet…
Hi FIST What has come over you and I quote
"Wonder where St Nicholas Abbey fits into his plans for next season. Add to that Cape Blanco and he’ll be firing bullets from every direction at Workforce and/or the next Derby winner in the same way he hounded Sea the Stars all over the place."
While the English,French and Italians and Germans were ducking Sea the Stars all of last year the only trainer to take him on was Aidan.Where were your heroes Stouty and Henry when England needed them?That do you call"hounding"?I believe he had two horses who got within two lengths at least of Sea the Stars.Please tell me what he should have done with the horses at his disposal? What Stouty and Henry did? Run for cover? But "hounding" is another word for taking on the CHAMP ? I don’t think so.Nasty,nasty,nasty.- Total Posts 17716
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Firing that many bullets would suggest he’s shooting blind, Fist; is it possible that none of them are up to scratch and another round of ‘throw what we can at Sea The Stars and hope for the best’ is in store?
There has to be every possibilty but I’m not sure what Stoute’s intentions are with Workforce nor do I know how ggod the Derby winner will be.
The strength of the AOB team rests on the shoulders of St Nicholas Abbey who could still end up better than anything next season throws up, who knows?
Hi FIST What has come over you and I quote
"Wonder where St Nicholas Abbey fits into his plans for next season. Add to that Cape Blanco and he’ll be firing bullets from every direction at Workforce and/or the next Derby winner in the same way he hounded Sea the Stars all over the place."
While the English,French and Italians and Germans were ducking Sea the Stars all of last year the only trainer to take him on was Aidan.Where were your heroes Stouty and Henry when England needed them?That do you call"hounding"?I believe he had two horses who got within two lengths at least of Sea the Stars.Please tell me what he should have done with the horses at his disposal? What Stouty and Henry did? Run for cover? But "hounding" is another word for taking on the CHAMP ? I don’t think so.Nasty,nasty,nasty.I think you’ve got a very twisted mind but I’ll humour you if it pleases you.
You seem to be under the illusion AOB is some kind of knight in shining armour, the saviour of horse racing or maybe you think he walks on water like St Nicholas Abey is supposed to?
AOB doesn’t run 3 horses in Group 1 races because it’s good for racing he does it because it’s a calculated business risk.
Rip Van Winkle, Mastercraftsman, and Fame and Glory were all owned by the three stooges so there’s no owner to say I’d rather not run, can we my horse elsewhere" he won’t get the trip, he’s not good enough or whatever.
I think it’s fair to say running Fame and Glory Rip Van Winkle and their stablemates in the Derby would never have happened if they had been with another trainer.
They are in a postion to play a numbers game so they do it. More power to their elbow.
Of course they hounded Sea The Stars and they were hell bent on trying to beat him. One of the team said "We haven’t fired our best ammo yet" after he stuffed Mastercraftsmen but it never stopped them running him again along with the best ammo as there is no one to question their decision.
If they had been had beat him the risk of running horses outside of their best trip would have been worth it.
Nothing nasty about saying it and nothing nasty meant by it, so excuse me for questioning the mechanics of your thinking machine.
FIST Where are you going with this ? You think of the owners as the 3 stoogies.Really! Winners of BC 3 times,Kentucky Derby,The Belmont,Arlington Million,Woodbine Canadian International, Epsom Derby,English Guineas,French Derby,French Guineas,Irish Derby,Irish Guineas, Prix del Arc.Some stoogies indeed.
"If they had beat him the risk of running horses outside of their best trip would have been worth it".
FIST if they had beat him that would have been their best trip.OK?
At least that is how I judge it.Twisted mind and dumb and all as I am.A four-time Group 1 winner who has tasted success at the highest level every year thus far, including an Irish Derby, will be returning as a 5YO.
This is terrific news.
I actually think he would ideally suited by the King George. Much like he did at Epsom, kick on round the final bend and play catch me if you can. It’s certainly a more ideal race for him than the Arc.
Who knows, maybe next year we can have Fame And Glory, Workforce, Cape Blanco and, fingers crossed, a couple of high-class 3YOs, including Frankel, at Ascot.
Three generations colliding. Now that would be something special. Chances are it won’t happen, but there’s no harm in being optimistic!
Well done, Ballydoyle. We enjoyed Rip as a 4YO and now we have Cape Blanco and Fame And Glory returning again.
Taking into consideration the level of twelve / fourteen furlong horses taking their chance in the Gold Cup, I wonder if Ballydoyle will have a crack at it with ol’ ‘Slow ‘n’ Snory’.
Best news of the day! He’s my favourite flat horse and looking forward to seeing him run next year.
After my first quick response one that is a bit more considered. Keeping FaG, SNA and Cape Blanco in training makes good sense, particularly if O’Brien looks to have a lack of depth in his current 2yr olds.
It means he has again an older horse he can aim at the King George (tip SNA to be this horse, who I would guess to be his Breeders cup horse). Wouldn’t be surprised if FaG has a similar programme to this year, unless they think he gets the Gold Cup distance. Cape Blanco can be then aimed at 10f races. Also having 3 top class older horses means he has cover if one is injured.
Added to which I don’t know if Jan Veermer or Joshua Tree are due to stay in training with O’Brien. He just seems to be lacking a top class miler.
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