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Errrm; he’s already won a 10f gp1, which makes the decision to keep him in training all the stranger.
Did I say he hadn’t?
The point I am trying to make is that F&G needs to demonstrate his speed. Breeders certainly will not take a 10 furlongs win on heavy ground as a two year old as proof of speed.
That same race was in November granted, but two years ago. Horses change. In the last two seasons he appears not to like The Fall. Unless as suggested, it might be to do with size of fields.
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I think reet was responding to Pinza, Mark.
Besides, didn’t he win the Tattersalls Gold Cup in May?
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Dear, oh dear, Ginger.
He’s won a gp1 10f race this season, the Tattersall’s Gold Cup at the Curragh.Yet to win races that would attract breeders to a horse of his ability. A mile and a quarter Group 1 or King George would make him viable.
ps When you’re in a hole – stop digging.
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The Tattersalls Gold Cup is a Group 1, but it’s not over 10F. It’s over 1/2F more, and is officially classified as an 11F race according to the Racing Post.
That’s why I think they’ll be keen to get a
pukka
10F race under Fame and Glory’s belt before he goes off to stud: but it looks unlikely.
King George? No chance.He’ll never win an Arc either. PLODDER.
His Coronation Cup victory was pure Class,he"s a proper Group 1 horse in my not so humble opinion!
The Tattersalls Gold Cup is a Group 1, but it’s not over 10F. It’s over 1/2F more, and is officially classified as an 11F race according to the Racing Post.
That’s why I think they’ll be keen to get a
pukka
10F race under Fame and Glory’s belt before he goes off to stud: but it looks unlikely.
He"s won more Group 1 10f races than anything else!
Aye, he might just add a Queen Alexandra to the portfolio of soft races he’s won this season.
You with short memory! 2nd to the mighty Sea the Stars in the Derby,run away winner of the Irish Derby and impressive winner of this years Coronation Cup! Winner of 9 of his 15 starts,8 in Group company,4 of them Group 1! You are a poor judge reet,when will you learn?
Dear, oh dear, Ginger.
He’s won a gp1 10f race this season, the Tattersall’s Gold Cup at the Curragh.Yet to win races that would attract breeders to a horse of his ability. A mile and a quarter Group 1 or King George would make him viable.
ps When you’re in a hole – stop digging.
Who’s digging?
As Pinza said,
the Tatts is 10 1/2f, officially classed as 11 furlongs. It was a Group 1 in name only anyway. F&G starting long odds-on to beat a sub-standard field. Halicarnasus beaten less than a length for second. Breeders want more than that, but you would not understand that Reet.Value Is Everything- Total Posts 17716
ou are a poor judge reet,when will you learn?
About 16 months ago, TAPK.
Will you ever?
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As Pinza said,
the Tatts is 10 1/2f, officially classed as 11 furlongs. It was a Group 1 in name only anyway. F&G starting long odds-on to beat a sub-standard field. Halicarnasus beaten less than a length for second. Breeders want more than that, but you would not understand that Reet.Don’t understand much at all, me, Ginge, though it speaks volumes I’m able to constantly run rings around you!
Officially 11f – my butt!Take him abroad and he’ll clean up in the big races. Might as well add a Sword Dancer, Man O’War, Arlington Million to that stallion resume.
As Pinza said,
the Tatts is 10 1/2f, officially classed as 11 furlongs. It was a Group 1 in name only anyway. F&G starting long odds-on to beat a sub-standard field. Halicarnasus beaten less than a length for second. Breeders want more than that, but you would not understand that Reet.Don’t understand much at all, me, Ginge, though it speaks volumes I’m able to constantly run rings around you!
Officially 11f – my butt!It’s very flattering, following me around and trying to score points off me all the time Reet. Must be a bit boring for everyone else though.
Amazed you think I am worth it. Value Is EverythingKing George? No chance.He’ll never win an Arc either. PLODDER.
His Coronation Cup victory was pure Class,he"s a proper Group 1 horse in my not so humble opinion!
I agree, the way he won that was unlike any other Group 1 I have seen. He sat right the tail of his rabbit, who was flat out, then kicked on again. THEN he had enough left to fend off some proven G1 animals, who had the advantage of being held up. I know it was early season but I am sure Sariska was fit at least. What an engine Fame And Glory must have to keep pouring on that brutal pace.
The thing is Fame And Glory is not a ten, or maybe even twelve furlong horse. Unless he has the race perfectly set up for his assets and/or no rivals with a turn of foot, he is not even competitive. That a horse seemingly built for Cup races can win multiple G1s is testament to his ability nevertheless.
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The Coronation Cup is a weak, early season, all-aged gp1, worth considerably less than the KG or the Arc, and generally not contested by the very top 12f horses (which is, no doubt, why FAG’s programme was geared toward it).
In the race itself, (which was clearly set up to accomodate his lack of toe) he beat the gp3 High Heeled (OR 115) by less than 3l, and earned an RPR some 3lb lower than that awarded in a poor Irish Derby, and 6lb lower than his own pb.
Hardly the performance of a world-beater, was it?F&G beat the winner and third of last years Oaks. Running to a rating of similar standard to his 2009 form. Like all aged Group 1’s in Europe, the Corry Cup is not as strong as those of Royal Ascot and beyond. It was though, (imo) an above average renewal.
F&G is not a "world beater", but there wern’t many better middle distance older horses around in Europe. Well worth staying in training.Value Is EverythingThe Coronation Cup is a weak, early season, all-aged gp1, worth considerably less than the KG or the Arc, and generally not contested by the very top 12f horses (which is, no doubt, why FAG’s programme was geared toward it).
In the race itself, (which was clearly set up to accomodate his lack of toe) he beat the gp3 High Heeled (OR 115) by less than 3l, and earned an RPR some 3lb lower than that awarded in a poor Irish Derby, and 6lb lower than his own pb.
Hardly the performance of a world-beater, was it?reet the clock never lies! You are just a stubborn sort who wont accept that if
Sea the Stars
is a legend,then to finish 2nd to a legend in a legendary race makes him a proper horse! Let it go,you are not as stupid as you make yourself look! Say after me Imperial Commander and Fame and Glory are class and they both won the big group 1"s TAPK said they would! Your healed,now you can pick me the winner of the Racing Post Trophy on Saturday!
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