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So Fame & Glory will race as a five year old instead of being retired to stud.
Was he not retired to stud because of the overproduction of sires and the fact his track record while good isn’t going to attract a lot of the top mares?
I can’t see him winning an Arc next year which surely must be the desire for him to get his stud value up?
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Good news he’s a very good horse and it’s nice to have him around especially when wieghing up next years 3 year olds lets just hope he remains at the top of his form.
I would like to see him run in staying races. Not going to happen, but I’m struggling to see what they might do differently with him next season. Perhaps the Duke Of Marmalade route of taking in as many early season 4yo+ G1 races as possible and the Juddmonte International/ King George knowing the horse will tail off?
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Aye, he might just add a Queen Alexandra to the portfolio of soft races he’s won this season.
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Fame and Glory despite being the first horse I ran my pen through in the Arc will just keep racking them up as there simply isn’t any opposition to him early doors.
1/2 1/4/ or 1/10 AOB won’t give a hoot a group race is a group race.
I’bet he goes for the King George and not the Arc this time. Depending on what’s about the King George can be a a lot easier to win than the Arc and if he couldn’t win it this year he’s hardly going to win it next.
I suppose it’s no great surprise as Cape Blanco was by far his best 3yo this year but he isn’t anywhere as versatile as Fame and Glory.
Just because Sariska refused to race after the Corry Cup, doesn’t mean that form is devalued. No reason to suggest Sariska did not run to Oaks form there.
Not surprised F&G is racing on.
Ballydoyle don’t (at this stage) seem to have much in the way of 2yo (next year 3yo) talent. Has the size to train on well at 5. Yet to win races that would attract breeders to a horse of his ability. A mile and a quarter Group 1 or King George would make him viable. Suspect they might aim him at early season Group 1’s, as he doesn’t seem an Autumn horse.
Value Is EverythingI think its good news in as much as he gives a reliable guide to the merits of next seasons three year olds.
I have this theory about Fame And Glory I think he’s one of those horses that loves beating up inferior opponents. If he starts favourite for a race he’ll generally win it but when he’s up against horses of a similar level in a competitive event he’ll always find one or two too good. Just me – may be wrong.
How can we tell how good or bad the Ballydoyle 2yos are? They won most Group races for two year olds last year and yet failed to show anything for it so better not judge what lies ahead on todays form.
How can we tell how good or bad the Ballydoyle 2yos are? They won most Group races for two year olds last year and yet failed to show anything for it so better not judge what lies ahead on todays form.
That is why I said "at this stage". May well be a top class 2 year old or two come out of Ballydoyle. But if I were Aidan, I’d be wanting as many top class older horses kept in training, just in case.
Value Is EverythingI think its good news in as much as he gives a reliable guide to the merits of next seasons three year olds.
I have this theory about Fame And Glory I think he’s one of those horses that loves beating up inferior opponents. If he starts favourite for a race he’ll generally win it but when he’s up against horses of a similar level in a competitive event he’ll always find one or two too good. Just me – may be wrong.
I too now have a theory, which would (of sorts) support your theory Ian.
F&G does not like being crowded. Possibly not at his best in big fields,
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I’ve got a theory, too, though mine backdates from after he was overrated for winning the Irish Derby, in July 09:
Fame And Glory has beaten a gp3 3yo 5l; Conduit has beaten proper gp1 older horses on at least 2 occasions. If the the former ever beats the latter, I’ll take up knitting
FAG was also flattered after his next race (owing to his beating miler Mastercraftsman over an attritional 10f), and nothing he has done since suggests he’s anywhere near the 135 horse he was rated as a consequence.
Nor will he be, if he stays in training until he’s twelve, imo.Ps to Ginger
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A strange decision.
He’s not going to win the Arc and he’s not going to win the King George; where’s the value in mopping up soft, embarassingly uncompetitive group races in the spring?
I’d have sold him for a sickeningly obscene amount of money to JP to go hurdling.
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You don’t fire an Irish Derby and 3-time Group 1 winner over hurdles unless he starts firing blanks.
The only question is, can they get that early season 10F Group 1 into Fame and Glory, to make his stud career less about
getting
potential hurdlers!
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Errrm; he’s already won a 10f gp1, which makes the decision to keep him in training all the stranger.
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Thought just occured to me. AOB has a horse who can walk on water and acccrding to them he was about to run then didn’t then it was we may run him yet or we may wait for next year but wer’e very happy with him and all that jazz.
Wonder where St Nicholas Abbey fits into his pans for next season. Add to that Cape Blanco and he’ll be firing bullets from every direction at Workforce and/or the next Derby winner in the same way he hounded Sea the Stars all over the place.
Could make for for a very interesting season of they all turn up.
PS lotta value if you can take down a Derby winner so his intentions aren’t as strange as they might seem.
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Firing that many bullets would suggest he’s shooting blind, Fist; is it possible that none of them are up to scratch and another round of ‘throw what we can at Sea The Stars and hope for the best’ is in store?
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