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Just needed to mark the retirement of my Avatar. Shame he didn’t go out in style, but have loved the horse since seeing him win at Leopardstown as a 3yr old.
Hope he has a happy retirement.
Just needed to mark the retirement of my Avatar. Shame he didn’t go out in style, but have loved the horse since seeing him win at Leopardstown as a 3yr old.
Hope he has a happy retirement.
I watched him in the gallop with Camelot before the Leger and thought he looked a spent force. Perhaps that is why he was used to make Camelot look better. He’s not a horse I took to but good luck to him for the future.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
I’ll second that!
My favourite Fame And Glory performance was the Coronation Cup at Epsom, when he beat Youmzain and Sariska. It wasn’t so much what he beat, but the way he did it that was so impressive.
I have never seen a horse go so quickly from start to finish in a middle distance Group 1 and still have enough left to fight off the closers. He was on his pacemaker’s tail all the way, then looked like being swallowed by the chasing pack, but fought them all off. His stamina was bottomless. He obviously fell out of love with racing this year. To see a horse with so much endurance finishing weakly says it all.
I hope he is a big success as a jumps stallion.
Posted this in the Breeders Cup thread:
Poor thing clearly wasn’t having his day, was backing up by the 7 furlong pole but Spencer was just beating him up, gave at least a dozen whacks of the whip before he finally eased him.
What was he thinking?I loved watching this guy in the Ascot Gold Cup, but it’s a shame to see him go out this way.
Poor thing clearly wasn’t having his day, was backing up by the 7 furlong pole but Spencer was just beating him up, gave at least a dozen whacks of the whip before he finally eased him.
What was he thinking?Don’t know whether that is true or not but why pick on one of our jockeys, your jockeys do that every day of the week.
Why does he have to be a jumps stallion? We need stamina in the flat sphere. So shortsighted Coolmore; but it’s all about money, doesn’t matter if the thoroughbred breed dies out or all their legs snap.
Poor thing clearly wasn’t having his day, was backing up by the 7 furlong pole but Spencer was just beating him up, gave at least a dozen whacks of the whip before he finally eased him.
What was he thinking?Don’t know whether that is true or not but why pick on one of our jockeys, your jockeys do that every day of the week.
No, American jockeys may be whip happy down the stretch but I’ve never seen any do that in the middle of a race to a horse that had clearly went wrong. Certainly not "every day of the week".
http://www.drf.com/news/breeders-cup-ma … -bc-winnerWhy does he have to be a jumps stallion? We need stamina in the flat sphere. So shortsighted Coolmore; but it’s all about money, doesn’t matter if the thoroughbred breed dies out or all their legs snap.
I am not saying he has to be a jumps stallion, I would just like Fame And Glory to be one. Think about all the speedy yet dour staying jumpers we could see in a few years. That is just my selfishness though.
Coolmore continue to market Yeats as a flat stallion, so you could well get your wish given their similar attributes.
Given Yeats has yet to produce prodigeny old enough to participate under UK Jumping rules, it seems difficult to call him anything else currently.
Personally, Fame and Glory was not a horse i was ever particularly excited about, but of course, one hopes he has a happy retirement and is a success in the breeding sphere ; jumps or the flat.
Poor thing clearly wasn’t having his day, was backing up by the 7 furlong pole but Spencer was just beating him up, gave at least a dozen whacks of the whip before he finally eased him.
What was he thinking?Don’t know whether that is true or not but why pick on one of our jockeys, your jockeys do that every day of the week.
No, American jockeys may be whip happy down the stretch but I’ve never seen any do that in the middle of a race to a horse that had clearly went wrong. Certainly not "every day of the week".
http://www.drf.com/news/breeders-cup-ma … -bc-winnerIt’s true American jockeys are usually worse than Europeans when it comes to the whip. However, when Spencer is in America he has a history of being whip happy (imo "whip abuse"). His wins on Cape Blanco last year were a disgrace and just shows what our jockeys would do without the tougher rules over here.
Although I think you’re being a bit unfair in this case Miss Woodford. Fame And Glory has seemed to lose his enthusiasm recently, often doesn’t find much off the bridle and increasingly temperamental. Clear Fame And Glory wasn’t putting it all in and a few "reminders" mid-race just might have got him going again. When those did not work I didn’t see Spencer continue and soon gave up.
Value Is EverythingNo, American jockeys may be whip happy down the stretch but I’ve never seen any do that in the middle of a race to a horse that had clearly went wrong. Certainly not "every day of the week".
http://www.drf.com/news/breeders-cup-ma … -bc-winnerIt’s true American jockeys are usually worse than Europeans when it comes to the whip. However, when Spencer is in America he has a history of being whip happy (imo "whip abuse"). His wins on Cape Blanco last year were a disgrace and just shows what our jockeys would do without the tougher rules over here.
He didn’t go wrong, he didn’t go on the dirt. Not much point leaving your effort for the straight if by then you’re 4fs behind.
Most jockeys will try to ride to the rules of the country they’re riding in, if they don’t they will cease to get the rides.
Of course American jockeys are worse, they don’t have any whip rules.No, American jockeys may be whip happy down the stretch but I’ve never seen any do that in the middle of a race to a horse that had clearly went wrong. Certainly not "every day of the week".
http://www.drf.com/news/breeders-cup-ma … -bc-winnerIt’s true American jockeys are usually worse than Europeans when it comes to the whip. However, when Spencer is in America he has a history of being whip happy (imo "whip abuse"). His wins on Cape Blanco last year were a disgrace and just shows what our jockeys would do without the tougher rules over here.
He didn’t go wrong, he didn’t go on the dirt. Not much point leaving your effort for the straight if by then you’re 4fs behind.
Most jockeys will try to ride to the rules of the country they’re riding in, if they don’t they will cease to get the rides.
Of course American jockeys are worse, they don’t have any whip rules.(7) Use of Riding Crop
(a) Although the use of a riding crop is not required, any jockey who uses a riding crop during a race shall do so only in a manner consistent with exerting his/her best efforts to win.
(b) In all races where a jockey will ride without a riding crop, an announcement of such fact shall be made over the public address system.
(c) No electrical or mechanical device or other expedient designed to increase or retard the speed of a horse, other than the riding crop approved by the stewards, shall be possessed by anyone, or applied by anyone to the horse at any time on the grounds of the association during the meeting, whether in a race or otherwise.
(d) Riding crops shall not be used on two-year-old horses before April 1 of each year.
(e) The riding crop shall only be used for safety, correction and encouragement.
(f) All riders should comply with the following when using a riding crop:
(A) Showing the horse the riding crop and giving it time to respond before hitting it:
(B) Having used the riding crop, giving the horse a chance to respond before using it again;
(C) Using the riding crop in rhythm with the horse‟s stride.
(g) Prohibited use of the riding crop includes but are not limited to striking a horse:
(A) on the head, flanks or on any other part of its body other than the shoulders or hind quarters except when necessary to control a horse;
(B) during the post parade
(C) excessively or brutally causing welts or breaks in the skin;
(D) when the horse is clearly out of the race or has obtained its maximum placing;
(E) persistently even though the horse is showing no response under the riding crop; or
(F) striking another rider or horse.
(h) After the race, horses will be subject to inspection by a racing or official veterinarian looking for cuts, welts or bruises in the skin. Any adverse findings shall be reported to the stewards.
(i) The giving of instructions by any licensee that if obeyed would lead to a violation of this rule may result in disciplinary action also being taken against the licensee who gave such instructions.Exactly, they can do very much what they want with the whip to their own horse and lets not forget they don’t use the air cushioned one we have here.
How many whip bans have there been in the last week?To be honest I thought it was a crying shame to see Fame And Glory go out like this.
The Coolmore operation see horses as little more than commodities with little regard of what is best for them. O`Brien in fairness is just the whipping boy and I suspect his hand is often forced, there is no way this race was on his agenda at the start of the year and it was an after thought born out of greed pure and simple, not the first time we have seen it.
Oh well, hope he enjoys his retirement, not a horse I overly took to but his achievements are there for all to see, 5 group ones victories and some top placed efforts also, he was a high classed horse at his best between 2-4 and had a brilliant year at 5 when raced in the staying division.
What was he thinking?
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