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  • #1686347
    Avatar photoEx RubyLight
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    What was that? It’s more than a farce no matter what the outcome of the race is.

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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Starter has a pound on Afadil

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    #1686349
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    Well, he was gifted 5th place. Still not a bad performance, but half of the jockeys surely thought it was a false start.

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    When looking at form, do you two ever look at what the runners usually do?

    Who has to be in front, who front runs / races prominently, tracks pace, held up and who drops out the back

    Every horse in that race (including the winner) is usually held up. So all the jockeys were happy an outsider wanted to lead.

    Connections of Afadil deserve credit for realising and changing tactics.

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    #1686360
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    Mark, I partially agree with you about that. I still think a few jockeys were caught napping and never expected this to be a regular start.
    But, fair play to Freddie for a very good ride from the front.

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    They were caught napping Freddie stole 5 lengths. I couldn’t see any problems with the start.

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    #1686363
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    It surprised Meghan she thought he was going to be ridden quiet.

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    “When looking at form, do you two ever look at what the runners usually do?”

    Having backed Afadil at Musselburgh when he won I don’t remember reading beforehand in the form book that the starter gives him a 5 length head start

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    None of the runners (including the winner Nathan) were usually ridden prominently. That’s the point. And therefore all the other jockeys were happy for something / an outsider to lead. The others did not want to get too close to Afadil, because they did not want to lead. Some would’ve risked being too free if even too prominent -seeing too much daylight. Many were probably told that holding their horse up was important to their chances. In such situations these things happen. Great credit to Freddie G for having the initiative.

    It’s hardly the starter’s fault if he tells jockeys to get closer and they refuse.

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    #1687539
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    Were you at the start to hear him saying that?

    Given the amount of waiting around for other races, and the spate of false starts this was just nonsensical. It’s the starters job to ensure a fair start. A fair start is not allowing a horse a five length start. End of story. If the jockeys were refusing to line up then they should all have been fined which I don’t believe happened.

    Unless you backed Afadil no punter wants to see any horse given a 5 length start. That view should be paramount. If you bet the sixth horse to five places you have been cheated by the starter. A consequence of which should result in him being stood down. This is the pinnacle, the last thing you want is someone waving a flag who appears clueless.

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    Started the arkle with quilixios miles behind too

    #1687543
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    Being that Rachael was a little far back, she didn’t think they were going to start, so when he did let them go she was left quite a ways behind.

    My main problem is that starters seem to have a penchant for getting them to walk into the start from so far back that at times they are breaking from a trot and are still 25-50 yds off the tapes…..I have also seen where starters seem to be very pedantic and call a flase start where they quite easily could have let them go.

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    I do wonder at the festival if some hang out the back and try and force a deliberate false start
    especially if they are on a cool horse and others in the race more likely to bolt their load

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    “Were you at the start to hear him saying that?

    Given the amount of waiting around for other races, and the spate of false starts this was just nonsensical. It’s the starters job to ensure a fair start. A fair start is not allowing a horse a five length start. End of story. If the jockeys were refusing to line up then they should all have been fined which I don’t believe happened.

    Unless you backed Afadil no punter wants to see any horse given a 5 length start. That view should be paramount. If you bet the sixth horse to five places you have been cheated by the starter. A consequence of which should result in him being stood down. This is the pinnacle, the last thing you want is someone waving a flag who appears clueless”.
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    There were front / prominent racers in the “other races” – sometimes many prominent runners – so of course there were false starts.

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    I was not there, but looking at how every horse in the race likes to race, it’s obvious what happened.

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    Punters who backed anything in the race after Aucunrisque (a front / prominent runner) was a non runner… should have known what happened was a distinct possibility. They should have either bet knowing what could happen or not bet at all. Their choice… And even before Aucunrisque came out, they should have known that – given his form – Aucunrisque being a non-runner was also a distinct possibility… Best on better ground.

    If I’d have studied the race beforehand, I’d have been looking for a jockey doing exactly what Gingell did. Seen him lining up in front of the rest and backed it.

    Any punter could have done the same.

    It is not the man waving the flag that “appears clueless”.
    For this incident, if wanting to blame someone blame the jockeys or the punters, not the starter or Flag man.

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    #1687588
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    I have far more sympathy for punters who backed Quilixios.

    Seemed to me they were coming in too quickly (which is against the rules) and should have been a false start. However, Rachael should have been ready to go, just in case the starter decided to let them go. :rose:

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    #1687590
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    I’d have no sympathy in anyone taking on Gaelic Warrior

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