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- September 16, 2006 at 20:22 #3015
I found Fallon’s ride on Yeats somewhat unsatifacory. The ATR commentators were quick to say that Fallon had to go to the front early to make it  a stamina test! I was disappointed too that Boycie had nothing to say post-race on the 2/7’s defeat ! It’s currently the race of the day video on the ATR website.  Any views or excuses?
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September 16, 2006 at 20:24 #77261I expected Yeats to win but he looked surprisingly one paced. The only possible danger I could see was the eventual winner.
I don’t really think Fallon did anything wrong to be honest, sometimes you just get beaten by the better horse on the day.
September 16, 2006 at 20:38 #77262"Maybe I fell between two stools in as much as I should have gone on sooner or waited longer."
Fallon quote after race.
Not like Fallon to be indecisive, MM ! It might turn out to have been a very good prep race for Melbourne! Maybe they didn’t want give him too hard a race.<br>
September 16, 2006 at 20:43 #77263Thought he was just beaten by a better horse on the day over that trip. Over two miles they could have held on to him longer but they didnt have a choice today. Sounds like they are aiming the winner at the Canadian International.
September 16, 2006 at 20:45 #77264I think any time a 2/7 shot gets beaten you tend to look for a reason. In theory it shouldn’t happen so its easy to say what if I did this or what if I did that.
I don’t know I don’t pretend to be an expert on riding racehorses. I watched the race and when you watch a race to tend to analyse how its going don’t you? At least I do, I never at any stage thought that Fallon was doing anything particularly wrong.
Hey who am I to to question the best jockey around lol?
If I’d backed Yeats I wouldn’t have been blaming the jockey for the defeat thats all I know.
September 16, 2006 at 21:04 #77265
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Imo, he was simply done for toe over a distance short of his best. <br>On today’s evidence there would be little point in sending him to Melbourne, it may be 2 miles, but a very sharp and fast 2m.<br> Maybe the Cadran if he gets his ground?
(Edited by reet hard at 10:09 pm on Sep. 16, 2006)
September 16, 2006 at 22:30 #77266Quote: from EC on 11:13 pm on Sep. 16, 2006[br]Market Man
When the policeman comes round to ask you if you were happy with the ride Fallon gave..will you stick to that view though?…he’ll be round in the morning;)
(Edited by EC at 11:14 pm on Sep. 16, 2006)<br>
Lol. He can come round he’ll have a helluva job to drag me out of bed though on a Sunday morning. :ohno: ;)
September 16, 2006 at 22:44 #77267Iit was obvious about 3f out that kinane was waiting to pounce.
(Edited by bluechariot at 11:47 pm on Sep. 16, 2006)<br>
(Edited by bluechariot at 7:50 am on Sep. 17, 2006)
September 16, 2006 at 23:32 #77268There was nothing wrong with Fallon’s ride. Yeats was never really travelling and there’s nothing more to say.
September 16, 2006 at 23:50 #77269Many of my thoughts have been echoed on here. it looked to me at Goodwood that 2 miles was his minimum trip, and always felt 2/7 was a ridiculous price.
The Melbourne Cup would still be my main target if I was Magnier though. But as was said, it is a fast 2 miles – Fallon would really need to make it a stamina test. he’d need to be at the front about 4 furlongs out, and be pushing on to get a big lead to fight off the fast finishers.
Nothing wrong with Fallon’s ride btw.
September 17, 2006 at 09:26 #77270The Melbourne Cup is always a stamina test, simply because they go so fast. They walked early on yesterday.
September 17, 2006 at 11:29 #77271
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Quote: from Aidan on 10:26 am on Sep. 17, 2006[br]The Melbourne Cup is always a stamina test, simply because they go so fast. They walked early on yesterday.<br>
Aidan<br> Not so much a stamina test that genuine 12/14f horses such as Vinnie Roe, Vintage Crop, and Media Puzzle, haven’t outperfomed proper ‘Cup’ horses in recent years.
September 17, 2006 at 12:33 #77272I suspect that, as well as being better on the day, Kastoria is a very good horse, himself. Yeats has had a busier season; this was Kastoria’s dedicated first Group 1 target.
September 17, 2006 at 14:11 #77273After the slow early pace Fallon IMHO accelerated too sharply three or four furlongs out so Yeats folded near the finish when challenged. Surely an even pace is what a stayer wants. I wouldn’t hold this defeat against him.
September 18, 2006 at 14:33 #77274Quote: from reet hard on 10:04 pm on Sep. 16, 2006[br] Imo, he was simply done for toe over a distance short of his best. <br>On today’s evidence there would be little point in sending him to Melbourne, it may be 2 miles, but a very sharp and fast 2m.<br> Maybe the Cadran if he gets his ground?
(Edited by reet hard at 10:09 pm on Sep. 16, 2006)<br>
<br>According to the Victorian authorities, connections have told them that Yeats is a NR there as they reckon he is OTT for the season
September 18, 2006 at 18:57 #77275Confirmation of the above in the Australian:
September 18, 2006 at 19:28 #77276I didnt think there was anything really wrong with fallons ride. I thought he gave him a terrible ride in the previous irish leger. <br>When yeats was at his best in middle distance races in his ballysax/derrinstown and coronation cup days he stuck to the front and powered it out. So i was surprised in the 2005 leger when fallon rode him like he might not stay and met trouble in running, but because of that i said that he should never have been so short for the 2006 leger. I had a little e/w on percussionist and fracas. When they both faded and then yeats got beat by a horse from behind i instantly suspected that the gallop was too fast but it was actually slow.
Really what i think has happened is that they have clearly done alot of work with yeats, teaching him to stay, and i think that as a result his topspeed and cruising speed have suffered, he did have the rest of the field well beaten though and its possible that kastoria ran the race of her life as she always looked like travelling strongest of all. I didnt think yeats looked particularly unhappy though and didnt think fallons ride was too bad either, its just racing really and these things do happen, at the time it happened though i couldnt really understand what i was seeing – Yeats seemingly going well and a filly going better without even being ridden.
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