Fallon charged

[Seagull]

I suspect John Magnier and co will be spending their Christmas deciding who to call in January and offer the golden chance to. <br>I would expect them not to waste much time in getting a stable jockey in for the next season.<br>I think the Coolmore boys have been loyal to Kierran Fallon but they surely now need to find a replacement.<br>I see the runners and riders as so.<br>Jamie Spencer.<br>Was accused of being not getting on with the general stable staff when he was the stable jockey in the past but to be fair to him he returned to this country and rode as good as ever.<br>Ryan Moore <br>would need more big race experiance in mho.<br>Johnnie Murtagh<br>bit of history with handling pressure in the past.<br>Frankie Dettori<br>Is he the type of jockey Coolmore would want no doubting his ability but would he be ‘me me me’ or a good team player?<br>Mick Kinane<br>They know Mick is a reliable pair of hands but is he not just a little to old for the hottest jockey job?<br>Christophe Soumillon <br>This is a good jockey with hopefully a lot of years in the saddle to come but would they want to give it to an Irish jockey?<br>Kerin Mc Evoy <br>Godolfin did well in bring Kerin over here and a good jockey but would they again go for an Irish Jockey?<br>Pat Smullen<br>He ticks all the boxes and although he is the current stable jockey for Dermot Weld I think if Magnier was not too concerned about nicking Dermots jockey off him he is the one I think who will be seen next season on the Coolmore stars.  John Magnier has not got to where he is now without going for what he wants (Rock Of Gibralta affair)<br>One thing is for certain and that it is of umost urgency that the current situation is resolved as far as Magnier and his team are concerned.

[Anonymous]

I don’t know the present situation, but I do know that part of Lester’s fee for riding a Gp1 winner was a nomination, (to the colts).<br>If that still obtains in KF’s case then the cumulative income, from these alone, should see him wishing to continue for a few years yet?

[wit]

hi Seagull

no, not state pensions – i was talking about the age at which for purposes of HMRC approval of private pensions they are regarded as having reached their normal retirement date and can start drawing.    

at the moment sports professionals are allowed to draw their pensions at an earlier date than the rest of the population, due to what has been seen as a naturally shorter career life.

This will hold good until 2010, at which point they join the hoi polloi and everyone will be prevented from drawing their pensions until they are 55.  

So until 2010 the early retirement age approved by the Inland Revenue remains for flat jockeys at 45, and for national hunt jockeys at 35.

<br>if interested, other special retirement ages recognised by the UK taxman are:

Aircraft pilot 55, Athletes 35, Badminton players 35, Boxers 35, Brass instrument players 55, Circus animal trainers 50, Cricketers 40, Croupiers 50, Cyclists 35, Dancers 35, Deep sea and inshore fishermen 55, Divers 40, Fire-fighters 55, Footballers 35, Golfers 40, Martial arts professionals 50, Models 35, Money brokers (dealers 50, managers 55), Motorcycle racers 40, Motor Racing drivers 40, Newscasters 50, Nurses including physiotherapists, midwives and health visitors who are female 55, Offshore riggers 50, Royal Marine non-commissioned reservists 45, Rugby League players 35, Rugby league referees 50, Singers 55, Skiers downhill 35, Speedway riders 40, Squash players 35, Table Tennis players 35, Tennis players 35, Trapeze Artists 40, Wrestlers 35.

best regards

wit

[wit]

hi rh

oh, i’m sure KF will want to continue as long as he can, as is the case with most folk lucky enough to enjoy what they do for a living.

i just found very odd Willoughby’s notion that Coolmore would be happy to keep KF as their number 1 jockey into his 60s……

…..as Seagull says, many would think Kinane at "just" 47 a bit old to go back to that post.

best regards

wit

[andyod]

Is Smullen good enough? I know that he has ridden Group one winners for Weld in Ireland and England and has won for him in the USA. He is related to Aidan I believe also.

[bluechariot]

Smullen is not good enough and will not get the job. He is only related on the dam side, O’Brien and himself have married two sisters, daughters of the Crowley dynasty

(Edited by bluechariot at 12:07 am on Dec. 3, 2006)

[andyod]

I am trying to find a standard to use to pick a replacement for Fallon. Smullen would hardly leave a nice cushy job to be dumped if Fallon returned If Heffernen was good enough he would have been second jockey and have been promoted before now. Whenever O’Brien had a choice he used the kid Spencer not Heffernan. That does not rule out Heffernan but it does rank him. I believe that getting along with Aidan is the next standard, Jamie failed, that test that rules him out. Also he spends too much time on the sideline. Aidan wants a strong person; Declan is strong and is on the way up. He would have to compete with Kinane for the top rides until Aidan was ready to trust him fully.Would Moore be willing to come to Ireland? He is the champion and never seems to do anything foolish or get suspended The type that Aidan could groom he is.Also he is not committed to a yard yet. MacEvoy is being groomed for Frankie’s job so he is out of the question. I believe the answer is up to Aidan and not up to the owners.It is the top job in Europe right now so the right jockey is critical.I don’t believe it will be filled until they know what is happening to Fallon.

[beauzam]

Must the chosen one be a european?

[andyod]

I don’t think there is a european requirement. But you need an experienced american jockey to overcome the biases on the european tracks. Also living in Ballydoyle territory can take getting used to. although they have done it in the past for Vincent.

[beauzam]

I was thinking further afield, to someone who is available,vastly experienced,ridden in contrasting racing cultures and old enough to contribute to the Ballydoyle program on his own terms.I doubt this option has been entertained where it counts.

[guskennedy]

In the light of the news in today’s Post, could I put forward the name of John Egan for the Ballydoyle job?

[cormack15]

Sorry people but due to the, er, delicate nature of the legal proceedings currently involving Keiran Fallon and the restrictions placed on reporting of proceedings I’ve been advised that the forum should avoid any references to the case(s).

I’m sure everyone will understand and respect this.

[Nor1]

Sorry Cormack; but as time has passed; and I do not understand; and, er, have little respect for delicate and secret matters; are you able to advise when the outcome of this judgement will be known?

[wit]

Nor1,

Although there’s no official mechanism for the forum-posting public to be advised of such an event,  I suspect what’s happened is that an order has been made under the Contempt of Court Act regarding not only the hearing earlier in the week but the whole active proceedings.

Potentially that means not saying anything that might be taken to impede or prejudice the process until the last charge against the last defendant has been determined – the CPS indicated last year that this might mean no reports of any kind regarding interim or ultimate hearings until the end of the third linked trial.

The British legal philosophy has been described as having to cloak the whole country in ignorance so that jury members come to Court with no previous impressions.

Defendants whom the Court considers unfairly affected by publications can walk free, with huge wasted costs, and fines / jail for those doing the publishing.

Now that Corm apparently has been informed of whatever has been ordered, the defence of innocent publication is no longer available to the forum, and it would not be fair for anyone to put the forum (alongside themselves) into a difficult position.

There’s little mileage in trying to get cute with the Courts in such matters, so unless someone wants to finance a full-on legal challenge to whatever might have been ordered, its probably best for the forum to take a lead from the mainstream UK press as to when these things can start to be reported.<br>  <br>best regards

wit       <br>

[Nor1]

Many thanks wit.

[Scribbles]

Would any comment on such matters not merely be considered ‘hearsay’ and ‘opinion’?  I don’t see how it could be construed as factual in any way, no matter what was said on here.  As such it would be irrelevant to any preceedings IMO.<br>A lot of garbage is posted on the net regarding lots of subjects.  GWB, as an example, is supposedly a direct decendant of neolithic man and the illigitimate love child of Seabiscuit and a little known hack from Tacoma.  That is just a wild opinion though, surely, no matter how bizarre the accusation.  In a court of law, such an opinion should have no bearing on the case.  That’s my opinion for what it’s worth, but I understand Cormack’s wish to swerve anything potentially damaging to the forum.

[cormack15]

Wit has summed the matter up in his usual accurate manner.

Scribbles – I hear what you are saying but there is a distinction between the forum publishing wild opinions (of which there have been plenty!) and the forum publishing material on an ongoing legal case which may place the forum and it’s proprietor in contempt of court.<br>

[Author]

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