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    Avatar photoWilts
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    Backed Zain Al B today at Lingfield about 15 minutes before the off at 9s, so was surprised to see the SP was only 5s.

    Worth a bet for The Oaks maybe – only reservation i have is that Channon’s fancies in the past for the big races have usually flopped.

    #354309
    nefertiti
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    I thought Zain’s performance was just as impressive as Wonder of Wonders. She seemed to zoom away, although the second and third looked short on stamina.

    BB,WOW,Zain and Havant. The race is beginning to look interesting. Can the Musidora bring anything on to challenge these four?

    #354325
    Avatar photoWilts
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    Couldn’t resist!
    £20 at 14s on Zain Al B to win The Oaks :roll:

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    Yes, the form as has been pointed out probably doesn’t amount to much but plenty of these trials are initially about style over substance. We would all like to see horses beat a bunch of potential Group winners six lengths but how often does that happen? Perhaps it will turn out to be a very average Guineas – the market indicated there was nothing special in the race. On the big day Zain Al Boldan may be outclassed but I think at this stage there are enough positives to take the risk at a reasonable price.

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    MaoriVenture
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    Blue Bunting top on time figs with me for the Oaks ahead of Together (-3lbs), Banimpire (-8lbs) and Zaid Al Boldan (-14lbs)

    Looking at this week’s Musidora, got David Wachman’s unbeaten

    Chrysanthemum

    top rated for that and currently 25/1 for the Oaks.

    Cormack might not appreciate that selection being by Danehill Dancer (!), but if she wins there, will surely be quoted single figs for the big one.

    Out of a Sadlers Wells mare who stayed 11f in France, has possibilities on breeding from a yard in cracking form, and presumably they would have gone for a 7f/1m prep race if had intentions of going for the Irish Guineas. Guess the Wachman/Coolmore team must be looking ahead to Epsom and she looks easily the best of the trio of Coolmore entries on Wednesday.

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    I liked that Watchman filly but the question is always with his good 2yr olds do they train on?

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    Put up WOW at 25/1 in my AP thread i did and been impressed by performances i feel she will win at Epsom

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    Been buckets of money for Wonder of Wonders over the past 2 days. From worst price 6s into 9/2. I think she’ll go off favourite.

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    Bloody Mohedian Lady down to run at Newbury on Friday.

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    Another day of nothing but blue for Wonder of Wonders and also Blue Bunting too.

    #354999
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    Mohedian Lady will be doing that soon 8)

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    Having had a look at the race and given Cumani’s horses are badly needing the run, I’d be surprised if she comes close to winning. Surely Fallon would be riding if she were any good anyway. It’s really an awful Oaks Trial historically anyway.

    #355003
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    And Peslier never saw High-Rise till June :wink:
    J-PG rides a lot of Cumani’s quality horses at some stage in any case, needs must and all that

    Is the Height of Fashion Stakes at Goodwood a good trial iyo? Some of us thought so last year 8)

    #355022
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    And some of us thought the Height of Fashion and a lowly 12f maiden were good trials and did a reverse forecast and both each-way at 20s and 33s. That happened almost a year ago though and is therefore totally irrelevant. Live in the future, not in the past.

    Why did you feel the need to ask whether it’s a good trial in my opinion? Just to brag about backing Snow Fairy? It’s obviously a good trial, it’s thrown up 2 Oaks winners and 2 runners-up as well as a Ribblesdale winner in the past 11 runnings. The Pretty Polly and Swettenham between them have thrown up 2 winners in the past 30 runnings.

    I just cannot envisage a RPR86 Luca Cumani horse beating a couple of race-fit competitors and then beating a 1000 Guineas winner and unexposed stunningly-bred Cheshire Oaks winner at Epsom.

    #355025
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    Ironically Snow Fairy may be the one to give up on.

    You ply trends yet say last year is totally irrelevant? Bizarre, to say the least. That’s your quote after the race last year, btw. You are so headstrong that reasoned argument the other way is vilified without being taken on board. You haven’t had the winner since Alexandrova most likely because of your closed mind approach, as you admit to with Sariska. It doesn’t read well, and does you a disservice. Cumani has had winners first time out, one of them was a girl, called Seta, in case you missed it. You have to live in the present too, or completely misread what Balding and Cumani (for example) are up to. I may be wrong about ML, although both Moore and Spencer put her up as a nailed on Oaks filly pre-season; recent vibes and her price suggest they are wide of the mark too, but given she actually appears on your initial shortlist your berating of her before she even runs is nonsensical.

    W.O.W looked powerfully strong at Chester admittedly.

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    Ironically Snow Fairy may be the one to give up on.

    You ply trends yet say last year is totally irrelevant? Bizarre, to say the least. That’s your quote after the race last year, btw. You are so headstrong that reasoned argument the other way is vilified without being taken on board. You haven’t had the winner since Alexandrova most likely because of your closed mind approach, as you admit to with Sariska. It doesn’t read well, and does you a disservice. Cumani has had winners first time out, one of them was a girl, called Seta, in case you missed it. You have to live in the present too, or completely misread what Balding and Cumani (for example) are up to. I may be wrong about ML, although both Moore and Spencer put her up as a nailed on Oaks filly pre-season; recent vibes and her price suggest they are wide of the mark too, but given she actually appears on your initial shortlist your berating of her before she even runs is nonsensical.

    W.O.W looked powerfully strong at Chester admittedly.

    No, you’ve completely misunderstood me.

    Bets you did last year are totally irrelevant. There’s no point going over old bets that happened a year ago. For what purpose? To blow your own trumpet?

    You’ve also misunderstood my

    trends

    blog. I haven’t had the winner using my Oaks trends since Alexandrova. Last year there was no qualifier. I felt Snow Fairy was the most impressive of the trial winners and was clearly unexposed at the trip. I was a big fan of Radio Wave through-out the winter and John Gosden mentioned to me that she’d be running in a 12f maiden in mid-May and would be hard to beat. She was hammered by Meeznah. A few days before the race I had a look through her 2yo form and felt she’d been unlucky and was running in a bad renewal. I heard on the morning of the race that Lanigan had been telling everybody that she’d run a big race and had been an assistant to Henry Cecil, a master with fillies.

    And it’s not nonsensical to oppose her based on the race she’s running in. I chose not to back either Primevere or Izzi Top before the Pretty Polly for the Oaks because bar Ouija Board, it’s been a dreadful Oaks trial.

    #355130
    Avatar photoBig Bucks
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    I like some trends over jumps but on the flat they are often completely irrelevant

    discussion is proving difficult so will sign off, gl

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