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Suspect you are right, also throw in Soul Sister if it were a speed race.
That being said, if we get conditions for this year’s Arc like it was last year then you would have to say Arrest and Savethelastdance would be big players
Watching the replay
King of Steel is an absolute beast of a horse
Dwarfed auguste rodin
Remarkable to run that well on his first start of the season and was pretty keen most of the way round
He’s a monster – he makes BigG look like a LittleG! – but I think he may prove best at 1m2f.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Watching the race again, it was very impressive how Auguste Rodin travelled from the top of the hill down to and around Tattenham Corner. He was travelling like the winner early in the straight.
A few people have suggested Kevin Stott went for home too soon. I think that is harsh. He was on a strong travelling horse with the Derby on the line. It would have taken a very brave man not to commit when he did. It was a good ride and 9 times out of 10 he would have won. He was unlucky to come up against a strong stayer who just might be out of the top drawer.
Kevin Stott himself suggested he went too early.
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That’s my reading to a tee Cork. The best two horses fought out the finish and a rodin looks a top horse. Both I suspect have a big step forward in them and the second over 10f must go close. At ascot or the curragh the winner with a strong pace will outstay all comers I suspect. Unfortunately for coolmore they need an ease for the oaks second and the firm side of good for auguste rodin. I can see him missing the arc if it’s a bog and heading to the breeders Cup.
Savethe last dance must be a cracking bet for the arc if its very soft surely.If stott had waited Ryan would have been upside earlier and the result would have been the same. IMHO. Think he is just frustrated how close he got. Gave it a very good ride IMHO. As Ryan said won a shade cosily. I suspect a rodin had more to give if needed.
I agree no matter what Stott did Ryan Moore would have had him covered.
The things I want most in life are the things that I can't win.
As one who could’ve won a small fortune (literally) if Stott’s mount had won, i dont blame him whatsoever, even if the jockey was harsh on himself post-race.
Brilliant ride on a horse with no prep run, beaten by one of AOB’s battalion. No shame, no need to feel like he’s let anyone down.
Agree about 10 furlongs for the runner up, Mickey. Just a pity for him that the Eclipse looks like it could be a strong race this year.
Savethelastdance would have her ideal conditions in most Arcs and three year old fillies receive all the allowances. But there is a nagging doubt in my mind about if she is good enough to win the Arc. She did not have her ideal conditions yesterday but she looked a bit short of pace.
With Auguste Rodin and Paddington, AOB has one deadly, double-pronged attack force.
Runner up is entitled to improve again being that it was his seasonal debut and no matter how fit you get them at home, match fitness is something you simply can’t replicate at home. He also has half the racecourse experience of the winner and given his size it wouldn’t be the biggest surprise if he was open to more improvement going forward than AR.
Really not sure why people say he should drop back to 10F….he didn’t fail to stay, he was simply outstayed by the winner but take the winner out and he has won the Derby by almost 6L, he clearly has the better turn of foot based on the sectionals and whilst hindsight is a great thing re going too soon, if he were mine I would be relishing the rematch….until AR proves he can beat him no matter what tactics are used you have to take him on again.
Agree LD73. Rematch will be interesting. Coolmore usually run theirs in the Irish Derby but they’ll be keen to get him to win at 1mile 2f. If he gets beaten, there will be talk of an injury and he’ll be off to stud. His pedigree makes him too much of an asset to take any risks with.
I am interested that Passenger finished 12th, just like his sire who went on to better things over shorter, so might consider giving him a second chance. They obviously rated him enough to fork out to supplement him for both Dante and Derby.
Pedigree suggests 1m2f might be King Of Steel’s optimum and, if connections thought he was such a sure stayer, why send him to York and not Lingfield or Chester?
There was once a time when I’d agree any horse would be better for a run, he’s a unit and an inexperienced one to boot, but modern training methods have seen many horses win big races first time out in the modern era – and remember Lammtara and Shaamit.
I wouldn’t bank on gigantic improvement, King Of Steel might never beat Auguste Rodin at 1m4f and King Of Steel’s stud value would actually be higher if he won a Group 1 at 1m2f.
So I can see why some are advocating it.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Dante is the preferred Derby trial for many. I wouldn’t read too much into that. Not convinced by the pedigree argument either. Bags of stamina on the dam’s side and Wootton Bassett progeny seem a mixed bag distance-wise. 100% true that stud value would be increased by campaigning over shorter distances (regrettably) but is that the main motivation for Amo Racing? I reckon their main priority is seeing their horse win, preferably by beating his vanquisher. Whether that’s achievable remains to be seen. King of Steel will definitely improve. Auguste Rodin will too.
“King Of Steel might never beat Auguste Rodin at 1m4f and King Of Steel’s stud value would actually be higher if he won a Group 1 at 1m2f.”
100% agree on both counts.
Auguste Rodin outstayed King Of Steel today, and will do so again. I’d strongly fancy the Varian colt to reverse the form over a mile and a quarter, though, and he’d be aimed at the Eclipse, not the Irish Derby, if he were mine.
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