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June 4, 2022 at 17:31 #1600596
“2/1 for the Arc.”
The Arc race can be a bog so happy with Hurricane Lane over Desert Crown and Emily Upjohn on that score.
June 4, 2022 at 17:33 #1600597As I said pre race he looks very fast
Withering turn of foot to put the race to bed
Would be nice to speak to Kingscote privately to know how much he had left under the bonnet
Eclipse/juddmonte would be the targets if he were mine
Winning 10f races are more fashionable for stallions these days too
June 4, 2022 at 17:38 #1600598Irish Derby & King George like Shergar/Sharastani then drop back to 10 for Juddmonte and final race in the Arc if still unbeaten at that stage – if he gets beaten at some point this year then more likely to see him next season.
June 4, 2022 at 17:42 #1600599I saw Stoute interviewed on RTV before the racing this afternoon started. He said he regretted running Workforce in the King George, so I would be surprised if Desert Crown runs there.
The Sea The Stars route of Eclipse, International, Irish Champion and Arc looks ideal.
June 4, 2022 at 18:13 #1600608Stone Age wants dropping back to 10F. Might not be in the same class but I’d let him bowl along ala Ghaiyyath, break them all from the front. Eclipse could be there for the taking not sure whats happening with some of the elder horses in the division.
Winner very good called it as they turned into the home straight he was cantering over the lot of them. 2/1 for the arc… lol you’d want 2/1 him staying sound and turning up never mind conditions, opposition etc antepost is dead isn’t it
June 4, 2022 at 18:19 #1600610They didn’t even push out prices for the other horses in the arc
June 4, 2022 at 18:24 #1600611He has Bay Bridge for the Eclipse (assuming he wins the POW at Ascot) so if he avoids running him in KG it will probably be Irish Derby & Juddmonte.
June 4, 2022 at 18:28 #1600613“antepost is dead isn’t it ”
We’ve been given a clear choice by the bookies, back a horse before it runs for its likely follow up race or don’t back antepost at all
June 4, 2022 at 18:29 #1600614Prince of Wales and Eclipse are pretty close together, unlikely bay bridge runs in both
June 4, 2022 at 18:52 #1600619Just over two weeks at 17 days between the two races – he ran twice in 21 days last season and with him being a year older/stronger it should be possible to take in both (assuming he doesn’t have a hard race if he wins at Ascot) plus if you look at the field https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/2/ascot/2022-06-15/808803/ (with no Adayar) it doesn’t look the strongest/deepest race.
June 4, 2022 at 19:22 #1600623Key difference between the POW and Eclipse being the race conditions i.e. 4yo+ only in POW whereas 3yos get 10lbs in weight for age in Eclipse
June 4, 2022 at 23:09 #1600650Evening , long day at work but a e.w play on Hoo ya mal has made up for it , in a each way lucky 15 , 2 others out the places but Bobby Shaftoe just failing to win at 25s ……nice payout but that would have been a great day if he,d won
June 5, 2022 at 06:53 #1600687“it doesn’t look the strongest/deepest race.”
Looks competitive on the numbers…
Mishriff 127
Bay Bridge 121
Shahryar 120
Addeybb 120? -?ground
State Of Rest 119June 5, 2022 at 08:42 #1600700And they’re off!
For the Hype Train Derby 2022.
Let’s start with this gem, from Matt Rennie in the Racing Post:
“… he could be the best Derby winner since Sea The Stars”
Yeah, Matt; he could be better than Frankel. I doubt it, though.
June 5, 2022 at 08:50 #1600702I’m a big fan of Desert Crown, but as stated I find it hard to rate him higher than 120+ yesterday.
The runner up has run a career best, ditto Westover despite (IMO overplayed) traffic problems, and I’ve got to go back to Maskela to find a colt I think simply ran to its mark.
I suspect Changingoftheguard (needs Softer) and Stone Age (ditto and didn’t stay?) failed to run to their OR.
The Derby is a beginning, not a culmination, for a potential Champion.
Tougher tests – hence the chance to rate him higher if he passes those tests – lie ahead.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"June 5, 2022 at 10:07 #1600720Glad. What’s wrong with that observation? He did say “could” and why not? It was a sublime performance. Frankel wasn’t exactly the right retort on many levels too
I think if you dislike that hype then you are going to hate stoutes comments. Shergar has been mentioned And not as if he’s one to go over the top ?
June 5, 2022 at 10:10 #1600721I never understand why those that hate the ante post prices don’t go and lay for similar odds on the exchanges?
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