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May 11, 2011 at 18:19 #354980
Banimpire is a lovely filly and great for Holy Roman Emperor to have her in his first crop. I have been waiting for another son of Danehill (other than Danehill Dancer) to break through at the top for some time. Fingers crossed for Imperial Rome!
Gutted they put that hopeless Belgian on Seville what chance he had to win the Derby has now vanished. Why not Keiran?
Been sitting down doing Tax law all day think my brain is fried!
May 11, 2011 at 19:18 #354985Absolutely incredible, completely forgot about the Blue Wind. Posted earlier on the Betfair Forum that Banimpire should be favourite and Mesariya is an artificial favourite because of Wonder of Wonders not getting a path through. Gutted gutted gutted.
May 11, 2011 at 19:30 #354989Talking of fillies my mare is officially entered for the CCI**** International in Germany, fingers crossed she makes it as she has a tiny splint on her foreleg. Going to be so nervous if she competes as this is the highest possible level to go in Eventing, like a Group 1 race…will be having kittens!
Lots of people picking Seville for the Dante cannot see it winning tbh based on Casamento.
May 12, 2011 at 10:53 #355063Admiral are you allowing for the backward step that everything take on their way to and from the middle east? So to Casamento.Buy but leave, e.g. Bolger and New Approach.
May 12, 2011 at 11:33 #355071I read in the racing Post that Dunlap had no idea whether Fallon was riding the Khan or not in the Derby.Wonder who is making the arrangements at his yard?Ahern was supposed to be his jockey until Fallon was available. Then Fallon was suspended and the owner decided to hire Peslier. So now Dunlop does not know what the owner is doing and he places it at Fallon’s feet!Why not just ask the owner who he has hired to ride his Derby horse since he has taken the responsability for the jockey away from Dunlop? Blame anyone but the owner for the screw up! Owners should keep out of the jockey business.
May 12, 2011 at 13:45 #355088Carlton House as low as 6/4 now. Henry run Frankel he’ll beat Carlton House out of sight. If Frankel turns up at Epsom he’s the bet of the centuary.
May 12, 2011 at 13:53 #355092Ian: Carlton House was very tenderly ridden today and will improve no end for that run. he has proved he handles soft and faster ground and will without doubt take all the beating now come 4th June.
World Domination as expected came up short after missing work but will improve on this. Looks like O’Brien doesn’t have anything afterall again. If Seville was ever going to beat CH it was today.
Have to say i was shocked at quotes of 6/4, that’s extreme but then again who would want to be offering 3s about a horse trained for the Queen in Royal Wedding year, by the master Sir Michael who has just won the best recent day Derby Trial with consumate ease! Not me for sure
May 12, 2011 at 13:57 #355094GDC I don’t care how Carlton House was ridden he’s a stone behind Frankel who will stay he’s by Galileo and if he took after his mother he wouldn’t stay seven furlongs.
I wouldn’t mind a match bet with you if Frankel turned up at Epsom. I’d bet every penny I have he’d win.
May 12, 2011 at 14:12 #355096Ian: I am a massive Frankel fan but Sir Enery knows far better than us whether the horse will:
1 – act round Epsom.
2 – get the mile and a half at this stage of his career.For me there is not a hope in hell of him getting the mile and half now, but that doesn’t mean he wont later in his career or towards the end of the season.
It is going to be great to see him flying down the Ascot straight destroying fields and then of course racing against his elders and the likes of Canford Cliffs.
Let’s just hope all these great horses stay sound and we get to see the best of them.
May 12, 2011 at 14:15 #355098Sir Henry thought he already had a Derby colt in World Domination so had the best of both worlds i.e. a mile and a mile and a half. Frankel will stay but only has to half stay to win the Derby he miles clear of everything else.
May 12, 2011 at 14:38 #355102I see where you are coming from BUT have you been to Epsom? For Frankel to produce his best now he will probably want to blast from the front and will not be able to do that at Epsom, the twists and turns at the start and coming down the hill will clearly not play to his strengths whatsoever.
Again, i am a huge Frankel fan but just cannot see how you think he would last home over the trip taking into account his way of running.
Obviously time will tell us if Prince Khaled changes his mind and sends Frankel to the Downs, personally i think they want to win more races over shorter (more suitable) distances rather than take a whole lot more out of the horse with one big run again! The other aspect you have got to take into account is the performance Frankel put in at Newmarket, he will take time to recover from that, just look at certain other horses who have done the same over the years.
May 12, 2011 at 17:37 #355120Money on at 16s, then topped up again this year at 6s! Delighted, picked up nicely. There is your derby winner, for Her Majesty – Carlton House!
May 12, 2011 at 20:32 #355149I quoted Vincent O’Brien earlier "when you have more than one Derby horse in the yard you probably have none".
May 12, 2011 at 20:52 #355151Admiral please forgive me for overlooking your events horse. Good luck to you.I attended the Woffard Cup at Pebble Beach in the sixties when John Galvin was the main supporter of the US team and his daughter Trish I believe it was rode Ard Patrick.
May 12, 2011 at 21:01 #355153The trials have been a bit lacklustre to my naked eye. I’ll be on the lookout for something from the Guineas for a bit of value. Native Khan or Casemento perhaps.
Authorized was a 6/4 shot, a Group 1 2yo winner who strolled the Dante. Motivator was a 9/2 winner i think after the same prep. The price is a joke, anyone backing that must be mad.
May 12, 2011 at 21:02 #355154The trials have been a bit lacklustre to my naked eye. I’ll be on the lookout for something from the Guineas for a bit of value. Native Khan or Casemento perhaps.
Authorized was a 6/4 shot, a Group 1 2yo winner who strolled the Dante. Motivator was a 9/2 winner i think after the same prep. The price is a joke, anyone backing that must be mad.
May 12, 2011 at 22:29 #355168Peruvian, I can’t remember a year in which the Derby Trials were as uninformative as this. Potentially this will be the worst Derby in recent history, it’s looking that bad right now.
Carlton House’s debut RPR (80) would be higher only than Oath’s and Kris Kin’s, below that of even High Rise, Shaamit and Sir Percy. He’s a 2/1 favourite and he’s beaten a RPR99 horse by what, 4 lengths?
If you’d said to me on Sunday that I’d be backing Recital for the Derby, I’ve have told you that you’re mental, but he’s the only credible contender I can see. He’ll stay, he’s by a super Derby sire, he quickens, he’ll go on any ground, he’s recorded decent RPRs, he’s a Group 1 winner and he wouldn’t win any of the last 4 Derbies, but there’s absolutely nothing else that I can consider.
I absolutely believe World Domination deserves another chance. It was a farcical race, 6 seconds slower than standard. If people think that’s as good as he is, they’re mad. Mad. He’s by a Belmont winner out of an Oaks winner. He needs a decent gallop. Not sure how Epsom would go down with him. He was unruly again in the paddock by all accounts and it’s maybe not the best thing for the horse to send him there.
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