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Can’t believe some of the criticism towards Howard Webb?
He’s thought of by the people that matter to be the best referee in the World. It was an incredibly hard game to officiate and I thought he did it very well.
The truly World class referee’s don’t always follow the letter of the law 100% they use something called common sense.
The best referee of the last God knows how many decades is without question Pierluigi Collina and that is exactly the way he reffed the game. He wasn’t always quick to produce the cards and would be as lenient as he possibly could and referee’d it using common sense and the understanding of the game and different situations….which is exactly what Webb did IMO.
Can’t believe some of the criticism towards Howard Webb?
I fully concur Zamorston, it’s hard to believe any other ref could have done a better job in such difficult circumstances. Don’t know whether he still managed to enjoy the game but I’m sure nothing would have given him greater pleasure to have gone unnoticed throughout the game but the players just would not allow it.
Van Persie was lucky to avoid an immediate yellow but the players just give Webb no option but to keep producing yellow, he then gave some the benefit of doubt, quite rightly in my opinion and didn’t produce red in such a match but the players would just not play ball, particularly the Dutch of course.The Dutch need to sack their manager if that’s the best he can do.
Agree entirely with the above two posts.
As I said earlier, the best indication the Webb did ok is simply to look at what the media are saying. Believe me, in this country, if Webb had done awful he would have been hugely criticised.
As far as I’ve seen, everyone (apart from a few Dutch connections) have said that Webb did well in a difficult situation. I don’t think any other ref could have done any better.
I think Stilvi is very conspicuous in his absence. He started this thread but hasn’t added anything since.
Come on Stilvi…. were you pocket talking?
Did you have a knee-jerk reaction?Only messing mate.
As I said earlier, the best indication the Webb did ok is simply to look at what the media are saying. Believe me, in this country, if Webb had done awful he would have been hugely criticised.
Would he?
He did terribly – it should just be accepted. He bottled the big decisions, which arguably never required decision making, over and over again. If Spain had lost he really would have been in for it.
As I said earlier, the best indication the Webb did ok is simply to look at what the media are saying. Believe me, in this country, if Webb had done awful he would have been hugely criticised.
Would he?
He did terribly –
it should just be accepted
. He bottled the big decisions, which arguably never required decision making, over and over again. If Spain had lost he really would have been in for it.
Should be accepted by who? YOU
You’re not another to pocket talker are you Jose?
Webb did a fantastic job… accept it. You are in a massive minority who thinks he did poorly…. so accept that also. Sorry for being blunt, but I only deal in facts, and FIFA (check their website) and the British media were delighted with Webb’s officiating.
Sorry to p*** on your bondie but Webb got the Final because he was the best Ref at the tournament (where were your disconcerns before the final)
It was an awful final to officiate because of the dreadful way the Dutch approached it. And if you can’t accept that, then you have something missing in your football knowledge – or you backed the Dutch
"OneEye" wrote:
As I said earlier, the best indication the Webb did ok is simply to look at what the media are saying. Believe me, in this country, if Webb had done awful he would have been hugely criticised.
Would he?
He did terribly – it should just be accepted. He bottled the big decisions, which arguably never required decision making, over and over again. If Spain had lost he really would have been in for it.
Should be accepted by who? YOU
You’re not another to pocket talker are you Jose?
Webb did a fantastic job… accept it. You are in a massive minority who thinks he did poorly…. so accept that also. Sorry for being blunt, but I only deal in facts, and FIFA (check their website) and the British media were delighted with Webb’s officiating.
Sorry to p*** on your bondie but Webb got the Final because he was the best Ref at the tournament (where were your disconcerns before the final)
It was an awful final to officiate because of the dreadful way the Dutch approached it. And if you can’t accept that, then you have something missing in your football knowledge – or you backed the Dutch
In fairness Webb was the best referee before the final, but I can’t agree that he did well in the final itself. How was it a tough final to officiate, a controversial one maybe, but not a tough one.
A yellow card tackle, give a yellow card. A red card tackle, give a red card. The message I got from the final is that if a match descends into a dogfight where players are getting sauced out of it left right and centre then the referee will only give out the cards for the worst offences.
Where and why would I be a pocket talker, OneEye?
On what basis?
I couldn’t have cared less at the start who scraped their way to victory. All I predicted privately was 0-0, boring, they’ll find a way of getting penalties. No financial interest for sure.
Oh FIFA think he did well, did they? That’s like the death of any well made point using them as evidence. FIFA also don’t believe in goal-line technology. FIFA also believe in hiring referees who officiate park matches, just about. Blatter was practically smiling away in his press conference because of the controversy this game had. He loves it.
I don’t have to post my concerns before the final. I’ll get you to phone people who have known my opinion on Webb for a long time.
Have you not read my posts as well? I think about half the Dutch team should have been sent-off more than anything else. When I say Webb bottled it, De Jong, Van Bommel both should have gone for sure. Puyol was another. The red card he ends up giving for a second yellow is probably the most debatable he could have given. He booked a Spanish player for kicking the ball away after he decided to allow Robben to stay on the field for the same offence?
Now if Webb did well you can answer the following.
Should Van Bommel have been shown a straight red card for his first half challenge?
Should De Jong have been shown a straight red card for his first half challenge?
Should Puyol have been shown a second yellow card for his pull-back on Robben? And I say second yellow because a clear goalscoring opportunity was not denied, just hindered.
I know the correct answer to all three.
And I assure you, that if Spain never won Webb would have been in for it from the British media and everyone globally. With Spain winning he’s dodged a lot of it.
Webb is a referee that likes to keep players on the pitch in the big games. Tbh id agree with him doing that. Lets see some tackles launched in for a change
Now if Webb did well you can answer the following.
Should Van Bommel have been shown a straight red card for his first half challenge?
Should De Jong have been shown a straight red card for his first half challenge?
Should Puyol have been shown a second yellow card for his pull-back on Robben? And I say second yellow because a clear goalscoring opportunity was not denied, just hindered.
I know the correct answer to all three.
I take it from that then you’re either a qualified referee or have at least experienced what it’s like to referee a game…right?
My view on the three questions is as follows…
1)
No
It was a bad challenge but have seen thousands upon thousands as bad and worse and not been given a red for. Mark Van Bommel is an absolute master at what he does, he’s done it for years and years at the very top level and is hugely experienced and clever at what he does. He has a knack of being able to get away with as much as he possibly can (that’s a skill in itself!) and Webb was no different to any other top referee who’s ever reffed Van Bommel. The guys played over 450 professional games and not recieved one straight red card! In fact in all those games he’s only been sent off once and I’m pretty certain he’s got away with much, much worse tackles throughout his career.
2)
No
Now I say this having watched countless replays and taking into account how quickly it happened in ‘real time’ and the position of Webb when it happened and what I thought he may have seen from his position.
Looking on from slow motion replays from the opposite angle to what Webb sees, it looks a horrendous tackle and most people would agree it could well have been a straight red card. You will know though Jose if in fact you have ever referee’d a game
that things happen very quickly and the man in the middle doesn’t have the benefit of looking again at slow motion replays like we do when we are at home sat on the sofa or down the pub having a few pints. They have to make an instant decision in the heat of the moment with the offenders pleading their innocence and team mates of the victim waving their arms about screaming for a red card to be produced.Taking the above into account I can understand and not be too critical of his decision to show a yellow.
3)
No
Easiest answer of the three by far!
Robben didn’t go down and played his own advantage and fluffed the chance. Had he gone down then I’m 100%certain Webb would have produced the 2nd yellow. It’s a strange one in football IMO as you see things like that regular when the player who is fouled carries on and ends up gaining no advantage from playing on or staying on their feet when fouled in the box.
I would urge anyone who likes to have a bash at referee’s to either… a)go on a refereeing course, or … b)try and get yourself in a position to have a bash at reffing a game.
I’ve done it a couple of times when I’ve not played and we have had a ref not turn up and the day I first did it changed my whole opinion of refs immediately.
It’s an absolutely thankless task they have and they have my total and utter respect, it pisses me right off when people get on their backs because at the end of the day without them we wouldn’t have a game.Are Referees (FIFA, British Leagues, whatever) salaried or is it expenses-only and a token match fee?
I ask because apparently Howard Webb is a policeman, so while he may be good advertising copy for that profession it seems unlikely he’d be granted too much football leave, assuming it’s in addition to his annual entitlement
If refereeing remains essentially an ‘amateur’ pursuit undertaken for altruistic reasons might there be a case for introducing ‘professional’ referees, particularly as football – like so many other sports – is now a year-round game
No criticism of Mr Webb implied or intended, as I didn’t see much of the game
that things happen very quickly and the man in the middle doesn’t have the benefit of looking again at slow motion replays like we do when we are at home sat on the sofa or down the pub having a few pints. They have to make an instant decision in the heat of the moment with the offenders pleading their innocence and team mates of the victim waving their arms about screaming for a red card to be produced.
It’s an absolutely thankless task they have and they have my total and utter respect, it pisses me right off when people get on their backs because at the end of the day without them we wouldn’t have a game.
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