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Corner, foul and offside within the space of a few seconds.
Add to that a definite penalty for Holland missed in normal time. Hardly surprising they were annoyed.
I suspect in every country bar Spain and the UK they will be ripping Webb and his team apart. Here it is all glossed over with Spain deserved to win.
Holland should have had 2 men sent off in the first half Stilvi, dunno how that helped the Spaniards
Just an absolute mess of a Final wrecked by Webb. I hope if that final did one thing it put to bed the idea of "trying" to keep 22 men on the pitch.
Van Bommel – Should have gone.
De Jong – Should have gone.
Puyol – Should have gone, although watching Robben being punished for staying on his feet for once was funny.Maybe if one of those definite red cards had been issued when the chance was there, especially for the first two incidents, then we could have seen a Football match. Holland’s tactics were, imo, dreadful. They all went round collecting individual yellow cards because there’s no punishment for the "team" as a result of doing that. Maybe FIFA should look at a rule that punishes a team for collecting 6 cards with an automatic penalty to the opposition.
With the goal that’s an interesting one. It should have been a corner in the first place, and I’m not one who accepts the "they had a chance to stop it" arguments we’ll see, but how might that type of decision be changed if technology is introduced, if at all?
I’d agree with one of those 3 stilvi…it should have been a corner yes. Hardly a huge mistake in the context of the match though.
I didn’t think it was a foul as he went down far too easily with the minimum of contact and I didn’t think it was offside either.
I can’t recall a wrong penalty decision either?
As they were all saying on the box it was a hugely difficult game to officiate with the way the Dutch set their stall out with the two ‘hackers’ in centre mid with the clear intention of roughing the brilliant Spaniards up.
I’m not criticising the Dutch for that as it was their best chance IMO to try and get in amongst them and spoil their passing game. I thought Webb was lenient at times, but rightfully so IMO and thought he had a decent game in very tough circumstances.
Maybe the people you are on about who may be moaning about the officials ought to take a leaf out of the book of Clarence Seedorf…a Dutch playing legend who quite rightly said there was no controversy at all to complain about but could understand the players reaction in the heat of the moment in the biggest game they will ever play in.
Webb was good and the best team rightfully lifted the trophy!
watching Robben being punished for staying on his feet for once was funny.
That was surreal!! I dont think ive ever seen that from Robben!!!Corner, foul and offside within the space of a few seconds.
Add to that a definite penalty for Holland missed in normal time. Hardly surprising they were annoyed.
I suspect in every country bar Spain and the UK they will be ripping Webb and his team apart. Here it is all glossed over with Spain deserved to win.
Offside
When?
Definite Penalty When? (If you’re talking about when Robben went through and had his shirt tugged then that incided was way outside the box)The Dutch should have been down to nine men because of their rough ‘stop the Spanish playing any way we can’ approach and here’s you having sympathy for them.
And when you consider Robben was on a yellow card when he clearly kicked the ball away then he should have gone too.
No sympathy for the Dutch at all. Howard Webb did them and the game a favour by keeping 11 of their players on the pitch for as long as he did. If he’d have sent Van Bobbel and De Jong off in the first half the game would have ended 6-0 to the Spanish at least.
Webb didn’t have his finest game by any means, but to suggest that he decided the final is extremely harsh.
No sympathy for the Dutch at all. Howard Webb did them and the game a favour by keeping 11 of their players on the pitch for as long as he did. If he’d have sent Van Bobbel and De Jong off in the first half the game would have ended 6-0 to the Spanish at least.
He didn’t do the game a favour – it made it even worse. He did Holland a huge favour as the score looks respectable.
Since when was it the refs job to make sure 22 players finish a game ffs? And since when was it the refs job to ‘do the game a favour’?
It’s the refs job to officiate the game and punish sccordingly when he sees the rules breached and nothing more!
What a load of codswallop I’m hearing here.
Should FIFA just throw away the rule book and let refs make the rules up as they go along?
Howard Webb bottled it in the biggest game he’ll ever officiate. He wasn’t the first to do this and he wont be the last. Scant consolation for any who backed Spain.
You woz robbed.
Holland should have been down to 9 men before half-time.
By the letter of the law, Van Persie should have been sent off when kicking the ball away when off-side. Same for Robben, A second bookable offense for each. Sneider could also have been sent off, down to 6 men. Iniesta could have been sent off for retaliation and Van Bommel (for the second time) for his foul on said player.
Yet the Dutch surround the ref, suggesting it should not be a goal, because of a wrong corner kick / goal kick decision 5 minutes before the net bulged. it did not come direct from the goal kick, Holland had the ball a couple of times after that happened.
The Holland player was looking for a free-kick outside the box, going between two spaniards. My own reaction was no foul, ran in to them deliberately, may be it was a 50-50, Webb can’t be faulted for the decision anyway.
Robben was caught by Puyol outside the box. Yet continued as Webb rightly played the advantage, Robben had a great chance of scoring. That advantage was too long a time to bring the play back for a free kick. May be he could have booked Puyol again without the free kick and sent him off. Spain down to 9 and Holland down to 6.
Had webb sent those players off, following the letter of the law, he’d have been wrongly castigated for ruining the final. I began the game wanting Holland to win but soon changed my alliegence. Unfortunately, these days referees are blamed for things players do, it was Holland’s fault for a disgraceful game. They are a bunch of cheats.
You could say Webb should referee to the letter of the law, but had he done so we could easily have been watching 6 against 9 men.
Value Is EverythingIf 9 on 6 would have been what we got, so be it. De Jong and Van Bommel should have been sent off with no hesitation whatsoever. And I have no doubt if one of them was sent off we wouldn’t have seen the match that developed. The truth is Webb has an incredibly low Red Card average and he took until Extra Time to produce one in a game that could have already seen at the very least 3 obvious ones. That’s just not good enough.
First of all, it would never have been 9 v 6 because as soon as a team gets four players sent off then the game is automatically forfeited.
If Webb had have sent four or five people off (as he could well have done) then today he would be getting criticised for ruining the game. The only reason we are having this debate is because it was the Netherlands who ruined the game, not Webb.
I stand by my opinion that Webb did the best he could in what turned out to be a nightmare game to officiate. Look at the media this morning; 95% of it is praising Webb saying that he did the best he could in the situation. Only one person I can see is blaming the ref, and that being Dirk Kuyt, a Dutchman. Now there’s a surpise.
People blaming Webb for not giving Robben a penalty (when the incident was out of the box), for not giving the Dutch a corner in the lead up to the goal (even though they regained possession twice), for not sending x amount of people off etc, well it just seems strange to me.
We had an English ref in the final of the World Cup for crying out loud. He did the best he could in a difficult situation, and as is being reported this morning he can hold his head up high. Yet here we are, typical English, knocking our real winner down. Whatever next, praise for our losing England team perhaps?
Laughable really
The critics and some are eulogising bout Spain winning it with the beautiful game and you look at it closer and see 4 successive 1-0 wins and the lowest goals scored total by any World Cup Winning team!!
Laughable really
The critics and some are eulogising bout Spain winning it with the beautiful game and you look at it closer and see 4 successive 1-0 wins and the lowest goals scored total by any World Cup Winning team!!
Agree with that entirely.
The Spanish are talented without a shadow of a doubt, but a bit like Arsenal are from time to time, the want to score the best goal in the world every time (20 passes and all that).
They can keep possession brilliantly and they have a solid defence, and when you add those two attributes together you get a team that is very difficult to beat – hence all their clean sheets.
But they certainly lacked a bit of cutting edge up front. You can’t help but wonder how they would have done without Villa being in decent goalscoring form.
Laughable really
The critics and some are eulogising bout Spain winning it with the beautiful game and you look at it closer and see 4 successive 1-0 wins and the lowest goals scored total by any World Cup Winning team!!
Spain were easily the best footballing side in the tournament. When confronted by spoiling tactics time after time, and faced with ten men behind the ball, even the best teams cannot play dream football all the time. For me, Xavi Hernandez and Andreas Iniesta epitomise how the game should be played. Had Lionel Messi chosen Spain instead of Argentina, they would be nigh unbeatable.
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Laughable really
The critics and some are eulogising bout Spain winning it with the beautiful game and you look at it closer and see 4 successive 1-0 wins and the lowest goals scored total by any World Cup Winning team!!
Spain were easily the best footballing side in the tournament. When confronted by spoiling tactics time after time, and faced with ten men behind the ball, even the best teams cannot play dream football all the time. For me, Xavi Hernandez and Andreas Iniesta epitomise how the game should be played. Had Lionel Messi chosen Spain instead of Argentina, they would be nigh unbeatable.
As yer man said earlier its a bit like watching Arsenal though, all very pretty and trying to walk the thing in. No question they were one of the better sides in the competition but even the best of sides should be able to unlock the door on more than one occasion against a team of stoppers.
Before the final, Holland were the team that would have deserved to have won it, they had a 100% record and played well, however during the final they changed their game plan and went out to stop Spain playing, this was their mistake and thus were deservedly beaten by a team that were there for the taking, Spain have the best squad of players but they didn’t play as well as they could have but in the end it was still enough to be champions. (Switzerland will be feeling proud right now)
The referee was abysmal and if we were being honest apart from the two dutch players that should’ve been sent off, Iniesta, the Spanish goalscorer ought to have been off the park too before he got the chance to score.
Shame it ended in the way it did but this has to go down as one of the poorest world cups, too many top players under performed.
That was surreal!! I dont think ive ever seen that from Robben!!!
When?
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