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Obviously carrying less weight than other horses can be advantageous, but can Jockeys and Horses gain a significant advantage when there are non runners above them in the weights? <br>I noted in the lays and plays yesterday that the Horse immeadiately above my each way selection(3rd @20/1) in the weights was a non runner.<br>The Non Runner was also coincidently drawn alongside my Horse Mahmja as well as being next to it in the weights. This would certainly have given Mahmja more room to operate in.<br>Does several non runners split the handicap and create false handicaps, isolating horses?<br>Mahmjra is probably a poor example as it had run well on its previous visit to Southwell and I expected a good showing.<br>I`ve seen Horses take advantage of being isolated in the handicap several times in both codes.<br>If anyone knows what I mean tell me what you think.
Sporting – You’ve lost me on this one and I don’t understand what you mean. There were no non runners in Mahmjra’s race yesterday ( I wish my selection had been one though! ). If a horse is declared a non runner in a race then the odds are amended for all the other runners accordingly.  ÂÂÂ
Swallow, I`m getting all confused(really confused) with the last race, when there were two non runners.<br>I feel a bit silly now.:o <br>But the question remains the same. Can horses and jocks take advantage when there are non runners in the weight above them.<br>Do non runners split the handicap, causing false handicaps and is there an angle to take here?
Thanks for pointing out my deliberate mistake.<br>Yes the odds are adjusted but the weights stay the same, right?<br>Silly Me!!
It makes no difference in terms of relative weights.
It also usually makes little or no difference in the way you refer to in terms of the draw, as unless a horse is withdrawn very late in proceedings all the runners outside it are simply shuffled inwards or outwards according to whether the stalls are on the inside or the outside.
For instance, in a 16-runner race if the horses drawn 15, 14, 13, 12 and 11 are withdrawn the horse drawn in stall 16 is not isolated but would start from the stall next to the horse drawn in 10.
Grateful thanks for replying to my query Prufrock, Aragorn and SwallowCottage much appreciated and some food for thought for me.<br>
I have wanted to bring this topic back for sometime and having unearthed it today is a good day.
I’ve reached a level of understanding about what happens in races due to physics and this is where I’m at…I’m hoping that Nathan doesn’t put this thread in the daily lays and plays and that it provokes debate and interest.
Going back to my original posts I’ve realised overtime that I’d stumbled on free energy. There were no non runners in my original example but there may have been an underperforming horse or one carrying a penalty for a win. More about those runners later.
Years on I wonder where my fellow posters are now and hope they are all well.The summer continues apace we are already at the end of July and the start times of meetings have moved with the advance of the seasons.
Tonight’s racing league is mustard is many traditionalists. To me there is an angle to exploit.
I am in the middle of research into physics in racing and am more than satisfied that I’ve established a link to its influence in the outcome of races.
I’ve coined a phrase “ free energy “ designed a system and called it Alexander. It is named after big G’s grandson in Scotland. Alexander means “defender of men”.
My thought process in naming it Alexander is this, Alexander is a newborn ( albeit approaching a year old now)and gives us hope for the future. The youth as always are the people who will be running this world tomorrow,they are the inventors and scientists of tomorrow. If they copy us there is no hope at all, but if they learn from our mistakes they can do great things.
There are several branches of physics that I have explored and they all combine to make the system I’ve devised work.
The first core element is Nikola Tesla’s principle of 369. Translated to racing essentially in its rawest form it relates to both the draw and the weights.
Balance displacement is a principle of physics that some of you may be familiar with in “self defence “ techniques. I’ve used the same principles that I was taught (in a past career )for racing. Another branch is traverse law. I will try and demonstrate all of this through the selections I make going forwards. One thing Im happily open to is ridicule. If people don’t understand it’s a first resort and I’d rather have something different than follow the crowd. This system uses a heady mix of form and physics it will throw up many winners and losers and will give tricasts. The most important thing in proving it’s existence is the fact that if the physics works in racing, it will work in any other field, be it engineering maths, calculus ,anything.
“If you only realise the magnificence of the 369 you will have the key to the universe “
A quote attributed to Nikola Tesla which alludes to his belief of the way the universe works, he was obsessed with numbers and I’ve used his mathematical equation and put it in a racing context.
The formula I’ve applied relates to achieving a spread of the field in a handicap top bottom and middle. More about this later.
Of course Tesla was not referring to racing when he opined the statement and yet a lot of his principles fit into races and they are a perfect testing ground for proving his principles and theories.“The only barriers we have are those we impose on ourselves.” (Sporting Sam) Tesla left us some intriguing puzzles but just enough information to work out what he was trying to tell us.
Tesla wrote hundreds of quotes just like many famous philosophers before him such as Socrates, Oscar Wilde and WC fields!
One of my favourite quotes was about the pilfering of the many inventions that he unwittingly patented in America
“It’s not that people steal my ideas that troubles me, it’s that people have no ideas of their own.”oh and a selection ,
Yarmouth 7pm
ABLE KANE
each way
under traverse law.
Rest easy Sam
I have no power to move any thread
I’m a mere participantCharles Darwin to conquer the World
No problem Sam, easy mistake to make
I look like Superman and even Chezza although he wouldn’t admit it openly has a Nathan Hughes poster in his bedroom
but deep down I’m just a pleb…
I do very rarely get given mod super powers to update the roll of honour in the competition section but that’s itGood luck with ABLE KANE
I’m off to buy a TEAM South West jersey. Hope they win the League this year and take on Team North West Asia in the Champions League next season.. Can’t wait to see Able Kane and the likes pitting their wits against Equinox ..
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Raimero carries a penalty and is bottom weight. The top weight is drawn alongside and if raimero cannot overcome the penalty, Able kane maybe set to benefit.
There are a huge number of runners in between the top and bottom horses but Able Kane may well be the chief beneficiary of the free energy I’ve spoken of due to, you’ve guessed it, traverse law. I used that principle last night in the Alexander thread to pinpoint the winner of the last at Leicester.
In his favour Able Kane has wins at a higher level and drops in class here.
As we know though, this is very team sporty, wacky races and anything can happen.
When a horse carries a penalty he gives off free energy, both positive and negative the horses nearest to him in the weights and the draw are set to be affected when he is bottom weight or top weight traverse law may apply….
This race is a long way off and there will be plenty of examples of free energy 369,traverse law etc in the earlier races. Maybe others can pick them out, but you heard it here first.I watched the race Sam, he ran well from the centre of the course, just
a pity the winner came up the rail. I’d have liked to see them tussle it
out. Nonetheless, a very decent 14/1 place. Another vote for Alexander
The winning stalls from the only race I highlighted were 3/5/9
The first three home were indeed the top weight the middle weight and the bottom weight. A perfect example of Tesla’s principle of 369.
The bottom and top horses were drawn together in 3 and 5. What is even more significant was the outcome involving the horses directly weighted next to the top and bottom weights.
Both of those horses received “ negative energy” both finished down the field indeed one of them finished last. Both of these horses were drawn “alongside” stall 9 the winner.
Wether that all happened in alignment with physics is open to conjecture of course. Able Kane was selected on the basis of traverse law I don’t lay claim to any ability to have predicted the outcome of the race because of those circumstances but I had already said that Able Kane was an each way bet due to traverse law involving Ramiro.
(The complexities of the draw have escaped many and the fact that 1 is next to 3 and 9 is next to 11 and so on is a complete mystery to most..)
Gamble is an intelligent fellow who would be welcome to hack my account.
The trifecta was over £400 and when one of these riddles are solved correctly I’ll be like Bob Monkhouse. .. …..“They all laughed when I said I wanted to be a comedian………
Well, they’re not laughing now.”
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