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If you go far enough back in NH history, including the Grand National, I’m fairly sure you could find very many horses which were not even close to pure thoroughbred but were out of miscellaneously bred hunter mares put to a TB stallion. Not so common these days I believe (sadly, I think, cos they had the better bone and stamina required to stand up to this sort of racing).
You only have to go as far back as the 1960s to find a 3/4 bred. http://www.pedigreequery.com/highland+wedding
Highland Wedding even had feathering! Looks like a heavyweight hunter.
http://www.segaspicturegallery.co.uk/ekmps/shops/segas/images/highland-wedding-with-e-p-harty-1a-39111-p.jpg
I have a question, just to muddy the waters, re the TB breed all decending from the 3 original stallions from the Middle East.
Assuming these 3 horses had mainly Arabian bloodlines, why has there been, since I was old enough to read about horse breeds, a breed called The ANGLO-ARAB? This was, apparently a straight Arab/ TB cross but recognised as a breed in its own right. But even though there are now many horses racing under the Arabic Racing rules now which are exactly this cross, why are they never described as Anglo-Arab. Does this breed now technically not exist?
While I am having a little ramble, I would like to say that, having ridden a few TBs with varying levels of pleasure, my all-time favourite breed just has to be the pure Arabian, of which I’ve ridden quite a few, including stallions.
Such great incredible beauty, so much strength, speed and toughness, so much intelligence and sense, all packed into that superb little body. What a horse !!
No wonder the desert peoples called them "Drinker of the Wind".Yes, I know I’ve gone off topic. I apologise.
Actually of the three "original" stallions only one was definitely an Arabian. There was the Darley Arabian, the Godolphin Barb (or Arabian, depending on who you ask) and the Byerly Turk.
In fact Arabians doesn’t even make up the majority of TB ancestry. There was a lot more Barb, Turkmene/Akhal-Teke, and most importantly English Galloway and Irish Hobby mares. Spanish horses imported to the US also make up some of the American female families.
An Anglo-Arab is a breed in the same way that an Appendix Quarter Horse (TB x QH), Irish Sport Horse (TB x Irish Draft) or a Morab (Morgan x Arab) is a "breed". They aren’t exactly mutts, they have studbooks, but they aren’t truly distinct from the parent stock. The Appendix is a special case because horses in the Appendix registry who earn a Register of Merit on the race track or in the show ring can be moved into the main AQHA registry and thus all of their foals are considered true QHs. Of course the QH is itself descended primarily from Janus, an imported grandson of the Godolphin Barb.
There was actually a failed experiment in the mid-1800s to reintroduce Arabian stock into the TB. Their descendents were only allowed into the GSB in the 1940s, after 8 generations, with the repeal of the Jersey Act.
Notable descendents (mostly through Arab Maid’s female line) include 3x Maryland Hunt Cup winner George Hakes, Easter Hero, Morley Street, Granville Again, One Man, and Hand Inn Hand.An Anglo-Arab is a breed in the same way that an Appendix Quarter Horse (TB x QH), Irish Sport Horse (TB x Irish Draft) or a Morab (Morgan x Arab) is a "breed".
Actually, this is only the case in the US. Elsewhere it’s seen as a separate breed in its own right. Part of the Wikipedia listing follows:
The Anglo-Arabian or Anglo-Arab is a crossbred horse that now also has its own status as a horse breed. It is a Thoroughbred (thus, the prefix "Anglo") crossed with an Arabian. The cross can be made between a Thoroughbred stallion and an Arabian mare, or vice-versa. It can also be a cross between either an Anglo-Arab and a Thoroughbred or, alternatively, an Anglo-Arab and an Arabian. Another permitted cross is between two Anglo-Arabians. No matter the cross, a horse must have a minimum 12.5% of Arabian blood to be considered an Anglo-Arabian.
France is one of the greatest producers of Anglo-Arabians. The French Anglo-Arab traces back to two stallions: the Arabian stud Massoud and Aslam, a "Turkish" horse, probably of the now-extinct Turkoman or "Turkmene" breed. These Syrian imports were then crossed with a trio of Thoroughbreds, specifically, the Comus Mare, the Selim Mare, and Daer. Some years later, three of their daughters — Clovis, Danae, and Delphine — formed the foundation of the French Anglo-Arabian breeding program. The program’s primary Anglo-Arab breeding farm, Pompadour National Anglo-Arab Stud, is located in Arnac-Pompadour, a commune of central France’s Corrèze department, home to the famous Château de Pompadour. In addition, the area serves as the French National Stud’s headquarters. The Anglo-Arabian possesses one of France’s oldest studbooks, and the Selle Francais, the country’s leading sport horse, still bears the stamp of significant Anglo-Arab influence.
In the past, the Anglo-Arab has been used for military purposes. However, at present, its most prominent occupation is that of a general riding or sport horse. The breed does well in eventing, due to its stamina, speed, and jumping ability. In the United States, the Anglo-Arabian is considered a "part-bred" Arabian and, consequently, is registered within a separate section of the Arabian Horse Association.
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?z=r7WW … &x=27&y=11
This years Grand National winner isn’t a thoroughbred either.
Many of the French imports to NH racing have Selle Francais or Anglo Arab in their pedigrees.Anyone (Crepello again maybe?) able to discover how much TB was in our dear old Dessie? Surely not purebred, or even 7/8ths?
Anyone (Crepello again maybe?) able to discover how much TB was in our dear old Dessie? Surely not purebred, or even 7/8ths?
http://www.pedigreequery.com/desert+orchid
100% Thoroughbred, actually.Anyone (Crepello again maybe?) able to discover how much TB was in our dear old Dessie? Surely not purebred, or even 7/8ths?
http://www.pedigreequery.com/desert+orchid
100% Thoroughbred, actually.Thank you Miss W. Very surprised at that
Lovely as he was, the old chap didn’t really look that classy. I had always assumed there were quite a few drops of commoner blood in him.
No wonder the desert peoples called them "Drinker of the Wind".
Lovely as he was, the old chap didn’t really look that classy. I had always assumed there were quite a few drops of commoner blood in him.- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.