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Bart Cummings dies and I can’t believe that he doesn’t get a mention on here.. 12 Melbourne Cup winners and something like 260 odd Group 1 Winners…. The first race called the Melbourne Cup is the one that English trained horses have made up half the field for the last 20 years ,yet still havn’t won one…Show some respect !!!
I can’t speak for anyone else but I’m just not a follower of Australian Racing. There are only a handful of races I could name and the only race I’ve ever had a bet on was the Melbourne Cup.
To win the Melbourne Cup once is a terrific achievement and I remember lavish praise being dished out for Dermot Weld after Vintage Crop managed to land the prize, creating a marvellous moment for me as I had him in the Cesarewitch and Melbourne Cup, landing a nice double.
To win the race twelve times is a remarkable feat, highly unlikely to be matched and I can understand the frustration of seeing no tribute paid on this forum. This is quite a quiet forum considering its membership size though, and it’s always just a fact of life that any legend in sport will generally only register strongly within the minds of their home country inhabitants. Famous soccer players will be unheard of in the USA and NFL stars will be on the lips of only a small percentage of the UK population.
I would measure any persons place in folklore by the reaction in their home land and Bart Cummings has been afforded a State Funeral and that’s surely a mark of the esteem he is held in.
I found the following section on a news website:-
Tributes have been flowing throughout the week for the man who won 12 Melbourne Cups and four Golden Slippers in a total of 266 Group One victories.
He was made a Member of the Order of Australia in 1982 for his services to the racing industry. In 2007, Australia Post put his image on a postage stamp as part of its Australian Legends series.
The State Funeral will be broadcast live on ABC News24.
He’s not forgotten and his country have recognised his remarkable achievements. That’s the main thing surely?
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Bart who?
Nope, never heard of him.
....and you've got to look a long way back for anything else.
We didn’t forget him, but I guess Australian Racing is not necessarly a priority over here.
Please don’t forget that European trainers have won this BUMPER three times in the last five years. And by the way, who cares so much about British trainers? They are not the most important ones in the world!!!Rest in Peace Bart Cummings and hats off to your long career and successes!
Sorry Jolly – he was clearly a legend in Oz and definitely worthy of a mention on here. Sounds like he was a helluva character as well as a great trainer. 87 is a good age no?
As a matter of interest did the death of Sir Henry Cecil register much in Australia? Good to hear from you.
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This is for intelligent conversation… Anyone who calls the Melbourne Cup a bumper is obviously socially impaired…Geez you would have thought Yeats would have won a bumper or quite a few other quality horses that tried but failed…
Sorry Jolly – he was clearly a legend in Oz and definitely worthy of a mention on here. Sounds like he was a helluva character as well as a great trainer. 87 is a good age no?
As a matter of interest did the death of Sir Henry Cecil register much in Australia? Good to hear from you.
Sorry Jolly – he was clearly a legend in Oz and definitely worthy of a mention on here. Sounds like he was a helluva character as well as a great trainer. 87 is a good age no?
As a matter of interest did the death of Sir Henry Cecil register much in Australia? Good to hear from you.
Quotes don’t seem to be working… Hello Joni, yes Henry got quite a bit of press here after the news of his death. I think over here Bart would be more highly regarded than Bradman. He also trained 13 Australian Cup winners, 32 Derby winners, 24 Oaks, etc,etc. Bart also won the biggest sprint in Australia ‘The Newmarket’ 8 times, so he was very good with sprinters as well. In all he trained at least 265 Group 1 Winners.I think it is safe to say Bart is one of the greatest trainers of all time, so espmadrid if you haven’t heard of him I hope that learning to read thing you are undertaking works out for you…
Quotes don’t seem to be working… Hello Joni, yes Henry got quite a bit of press here after the news of his death. I think over here Bart would be more highly regarded than Bradman. He also trained 13 Australian Cup winners, 32 Derby winners, 24 Oaks, etc,etc. Bart also won the biggest sprint in Australia ‘The Newmarket’ 8 times, so he was very good with sprinters as well. In all he trained at least 265 Group 1 Winners.I think it is safe to say Bart is one of the greatest trainers of all time, so espmadrid if you haven’t heard of him I hope that learning to read thing you are undertaking works out for you…
I think Espmadrid was just pulling your leg but Australian affairs don’t get a lot of coverage here to be honest. I tried to pay tribute to Bart Cummings in the piece I wrote. I know little of the man but his achievements are there to be seen and admired.
Maybe you should focus on the goodwill being offered up, than being upset with the tongue in cheek comments.
His son paid tribute as follows:-
The Cups King’s son finished his eulogy by saying “Dad spent time with king and queens, prime ministers, premiers and the common man. Treated all equally and gave them time”.
“In the end, Dad was more than a horseman,” he said.
“[He was] an icon, a legend, all of that; built from flames and hardship to go with success.
“Bob Hawke described him as a great and good Australian. Enough said.”
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Any sporting figure afforded a state funeral is worthy of the utmost respect.
Bart Cummings was a great trainer of racehorse and a national treasure in Australia.
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Any sporting figure afforded a state funeral is worthy of the utmost respect.
Bart Cummings was a great trainer of racehorses and a national treasure in Australia.
Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning
This is for intelligent conversation… Anyone who calls the Melbourne Cup a bumper is obviously socially impaired…Geez you would have thought Yeats would have won a bumper or quite a few other quality horses that tried but failed…
Rite of Passage: 3rd in the Festival bumper – won a Ascot Gold Cup.
What is wrong if you call a 2m race a bumper? There is a lot of bumping going on. So no need to correct me
This is for intelligent conversation… Anyone who calls the Melbourne Cup a bumper is obviously socially impaired…Geez you would have thought Yeats would have won a bumper or quite a few other quality horses that tried but failed…
Rite of Passage: 3rd in the Festival bumper – won a Ascot Gold Cup.
What is wrong if you call a 2m race a bumper? There is a lot of bumping going on. So no need to correct me
You didn’t put your foot in it there, you fell right into it… Yeats won 4 Ascot Gold Cups and couldn’t get warm in the Melbourne Cup. Yes there is a need to correct you and help you, the Melbourne Cup is no bumper, you obviously know little about racing…
I don’t get the Racing Post and tbh totally missed this news Jollyp.
Bart was a great trainer. I suppose the reason why it might have been missed in Britain is Bart hadn’t been hitting the heights for a while (unlike Sir Henry). Without Frankel would Australia have been that interested?
Bart is so obviously a legend in Australia – as I said – a great trainer, you were lucky to have a man of his character and ability.
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