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It wouldn’t be my money FSL. I havn’t had a bet for nine months ;)<br>Better things to do with my dosh than give it to Betfair. I enjoy the game on a purely spiritual level nowadays.
Racing Daily Posted on 2:37 pm on Dec. 16, 2006<br>I would like to know how much money it takes to knock Mighty Man in from 5/6 to 8/11 in the two minutes before the start
<br>Like Glenn says nothing at all .. this move is known as the ‘Accumulator Capper’.
A 3% drop, equivalent to a 33/1 chance coming in to 16/1, so quite a significant market move for Ascot. If this was real money forcing the price down, it must have been of the order of about £50k in the ring. If it was not real money, we are in the hands of the Philistines and anything can happen.
Just listened to Barry Dennis on ATR regarding a Lingers SP and imhaho there is something very wrong with a system where 2 bookies can manipulate a price in this way
<br>Time for the racing media to stand up and be counted i think
The Media are nothing but a gang of gutless no-necks, whose sole purpose is to concentrate on trivia and perpetuate the horse racing cash cow.
I reckon they have broken a working SP system so they can introduce industry SP’s, that will be marginally better that what is in place now, but worse than 1/11.
Quote: from dave jay on 12:11 pm on Dec. 21, 2006[br]The Media are nothing but a gang of gutless no-necks, whose sole purpose is to concentrate on trivia and perpetuate the horse racing cash cow.
I believe your right Dave, i doubt we’ll see an article about this by Willoughby, Wright on the RP website, I also doubt Rob Wright, Freemantle, Claud Duval etc, etc will give it much time or space either
A betting shop punter doesn’t need a degree in maths to realise he’s losing at a much faster rate on the Kempton bandits than the one-armed variety. Therein lies the cartel’s plan.
what are the respective margins?
Maybe my rare visits to betting shops are to the wrong ones, but most punters are about as aquainted with a degree in maths as they are with a bar of soap
Surely any semi serious punter is pretty well oblivious to SP’s these days anyway?
thedarkknight is spot on. Let the off course firms set their own odds/margins. Who cares, the betting shop punters, I don’t think so.
Precisely<br>
You need to do some homework of your own Clive if you want to know the answer, to what the respective margins are.
You also need to find out where the money that funds racing actually comes from, as opposed to where you would like to think it comes from.
Robbing SP punters will only drive turnover down and raise less money for racing not more. And any serious punter knows this can only be a bad thing for racing.
Don’t know how accurate this is, but found this article
<br>Here
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Just noticed it was published by the Guardian, which is :cool:
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(Edited by empty wallet at 7:07 pm on Dec. 21, 2006)
The 4.35 at Lingfield yesterday saw an average over round of over 4%, something of a record, I believe.
The Racing Post (paul Kealy, p13) described it as dreadful and unjustifiable, and that if this was any guide to the future, we would be better off playing bingo.
Contrary to some forum members, I firmly believe that the Racing Post is closely monitoring these SP’s and that columnists such as James Willoughby and our friend Paul Haig, will not refrain from attacking these diminishing punter’s margins.
Quote: from Artemis on 7:09 pm on Dec. 21, 2006[br]The 4.35 at Lingfield yesterday saw an average over round of over 4%, something of a record, I believe.
The Racing Post (paul Kealy, p13) described it as dreadful and unjustifiable, and that if this was any guide to the future, we would be better off playing bingo.
Contrary to some forum members, I firmly believe that the Racing Post is closely monitoring these SP’s and that columnists such as James Willoughby and our friend Paul Haig, will not refrain from attacking these diminishing punter’s margins.
<br>Well done Paul Kealy and i hope your right Artemis,
I’m actually a fan of some of the writers mentioned btw ;)
The RP. Willoughby, Haig, Kealy can do all the monitoring they like, if you dont like the sp. system (which I spelled out to you all quite clearly in an earlier post, ie the top 12 layers to include 6 that offer ew terms are included in a sample with the 6th price being the sp).
If you dont like it bet elsewhere the betting shop punters couldn’t give a flying f..k about your opinions, dont come racing who cares, racecourses aint gonna miss your custom. for crissake get off your soap boxes and get on with your own life,
if any person wants a head to head with any of my UNWASHED punters , bring it on , forgotten more than you’ll learn the rest of your life about horse racing.
Why can’t you offer an opinion and decent argument instead of just shooting your mouth off?
The two high street firms may have got one over on punters yesterday and no doubt as Boycie stated this morning on ATR they will do it again.
All in all whilst the majority of on course punters at ‘leafy Lingfield ‘yesterday may have been office parties and not hardened punters the guys at Betfair who write the ads have been given an easy job to do all they have to do was to highlight the fact that (when I looked on betfair) the horse could have ben backed for decent sums at 2.90 and 2.875. (19/10 and 15/8) <br>So why would anyone want evens?
Overall they have shot themselves in the foot.
Barry Dennis could have knocked back the bets the reps wanted his only real gripe is they had not enough time to send the money back to Betfair.
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