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Hope you had plenty on "H"
unfortunately for me Fists, I didn’t have a penny on. I just watched the race.
I put all my eggs in the one basket though in another race – at Newbury. Once again, Diamond Harry showed what a class act he is. Never a moment’s concern.
Oh, and I think you are spot on about Binocular. He is real class and providing there is no superfluous mud flying around Cheltenham come march ( and of course the stamina holds out ), then it is not beyond reasonable thinking to suggest that he could very well win the CH doing hand springs. You did, afterall, champion his worth from day one .
Happy days, Fist.
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As Albert Einstein once said- all form is reletive. Its foolish to say that the form of todays race is worthless, as that is not correct.
What were todays conditions?
Goodish ground and a decent pace, and Sublimty and Won in the Dark, have proved that on those conditions they are a distance clear of their opposition. Each race must be judged on its own merits IMO and where the form probably wouldnt stand up if it were to be run again tomorrow, on soft or at a slow pace, you have to give the horses credit for being as good as they were on suitable conditions.
I think sublimity would have won today regardless of pace, but WITD needed a fast pace to figure, and everything just worked out.
I would say that on todays conditions, sublinity has probably run to a rating in the mid 160s, maybe better.
However, do I think Binocular would have won today? Yes, he’d have slaughtered them, as the conditions were also his optimal condidtions, but Binocular is capable of form well into the 170s on todays conditions IMO.
I wouldnt be in any hurry to write sizing europe off just yet, he probably wants more cut, and had excuses made, and drifted well enough before he even went off, so he deserves a second chance and should be a bet in the Irish Champ again.
Guys you should all know better than write-off any horse because of a couple of bad runs
Are you for real, Fists?
You wrote-off Cousin Vinny after his first run in a hurdle, despite him coming out best at the weights.
I cant remember the last time a 3m chaser won the champion hurdle, so
the sooner "Sizing Europe" jumps a fence the better eh Fist?Sublimity for me, assuming he’s not slapped out the back and only asked to improve when the race is all but over.
A small interest in Won in the Dark, too.
Well done Equitrack, only just saw that, WITD seems to throw in his bestperformances on better ground for some reason but travels very well in his races, its possibly because the pace is slower when the ground is heavier that he doesnt seem to figure as much, or perhaps it’s that Ireland has soem decent heavy ground performers. He stayed up the hill at cheltenham very well though in march, and think he could do the same again with Celestial Halo seting up the pace. Sublimity looked to just about have much speed for him today, but at a faster pace who knows.
One thing I thought during todays race was that Sublimity was travelling beautifully on that ground right from the start, they should bring him over to britain more often as theres been a few races now that he would have got his ground in recently.
Well, these Irish Grd1 winners keep coming for me
I’m slightly suprised that Sublimity has been trimmed into 8-1 for the Champion Hurdle though if I’m honest. He couldnt fend off Punjabi who, in all honesty shouldve come on for the run and won the Christmas Hurdle on Friday. Punjabi sticks at 12-1
If this is the best the Irish side of the waters can show for the Champion Hurdle (bar Harchibald) then I wouldnt put it past Mr Henderson getting the 1-2 at Cheltenham in March.
We havent seen Punjabi on top of his game this year yet; would he have beaten Harchibald on Friday if he stood up? If so, by how far?
We’ve all seen what Binocular can do and he now goes straight to the CH but Punjabi is by far the most intreguing contender for the Champion Hurdle. Just how good is he?
Id give Sizing Europe another chance. He didnt have anywhere near the best preperation for this this week and with a better preperation wouldve put up a better effort.
Havent seen the race in full yet so if someone has a link to a video of it that’d be much obliged
Go to the At The Races website HWTH, you’ll have to set up a log in, but you can watch all the races thay cover for free, and they seem to cover all irish races so it’ll be on there.
Go to the At The Races website HWTH, you’ll have to set up a log in, but you can watch all the races thay cover for free, and they seem to cover all irish races so it’ll be on there.
Excellent!
Thanks Bulwark
Much appreciatedWell theres very little between punjabi and sublimity from what we have seen but id fancy sublimity to turn the tables on him next time out if the ground is good. he seemed to really bounce along on it today.
De Bromheads horses are running badly in general according to himself.
I think that Harchibald is actually not the horse he was two or three years ago when I believe that on a flat track, he would have any of those horses, binocular included for breakfast.
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The thing with Sizing Europe is how many chances do you want to give him? Champion Hurdle – injured, reappearance – not fully fit, yesterday – Not ideal preparation. It can be a very expensive thing to keep giving horses another chance the reasons tend to turn into excuses.
I cant remember the last time a 3m chaser won the champion hurdle, so
the sooner "Sizing Europe" jumps a fence the better eh Fist?Somebody might have already answered this rhetorical question. I haven’t read all the thread.
Dawn Run.
Night Nurse apparently.
Did Beech Road run in 3m chases?I think it’s premature to write-off Sizing Europe, but as Ian pointed out, how many chances can you give the horse?
I think most underestimate Sublimity. He didn’t win the greatest Champion Hurdle in history, but he beat a former champion convincingly that day on just his sixth start over hurdles and his first crack at the big boys outside novice company.
He endured a torrid preperation before last years race and did very well to get within 7L of Katchit who, to put things into perspective, was having his thirteenth start over hurdles. Sublimity looked the likely winner at one stage before lack of race fitness told and I think he would’ve pushed Katchit close with the benefit of a prep run.
He was a classy flat recruit and there won’t be another horse in the CH that can boast the same turn of foot. Unlike Nicky Henderson’s horse, he’s also been there and done it around Cheltenham.
Sublimity looked very happy with the conditions yesterday and his hurdling has definitely improved. I actually think a stronger pace will suit him much better come March.
Binocular is the one to beat, no doubt about it, but Sublimity has the class to trouble any horse in the race and I think he’s the only one that can beat Binocular for speed.
I think people have to put Sublimity down because they didn’t back him when he won the Champion and they have to find reasons for his win being a fluke……..
Guys you should all know better than write-off any horse because of a couple of bad runs
Are you for real, Fists?
You wrote-off Cousin Vinny after his first run in a hurdle, despite him coming out best at the weights.
I beg your pardon Sir Grassy, I did no such thing. I never wrote him off I said I didn’t think he has the class to win at Cheltenham over hurdles.
When you write a horse off as in this discussion you are saying he isn’t as good as he used to be are you not?
Cousin Vinny won a mickey mouse maiden and a bumper or 2.
I think he will get his ass felt if he even makes it to Cheltenam.
Now Hurrican Fly……..that’s a horse.
I have seen hundreds of horse finish close up against future stars and month later they woldn’t get within a hurdle of he same horse….CV is one of them as far as I am concerend…………lsiimply don’t rate him
8/1 for the Champion Hurdle about Sublimity is an insult to human intellegence.
He simply does not get the trip in a true run race round there.
Forget his CH win which was a complete farce. Watch him against Noland when he it the rising ground and watch him do the same thng last year against Katchit.
Even when he hit the front he year he won he bounced up and down in the same place and two hald dead horses never lost another inch of ground on him,
He should be at least 25/1 for the CH he has absolutely no change….if a fe run badly he could get a distant 3rd at best……Wake up guys and look what he beat…….think what Binoclular Osana Katchit Crack Away Jack Punjabi Jered would do to what Sublimity scraped home against……..
…….think what Binoclular Osana Katchit Crack Away Jack Punjabi Jered and CELESTIAL HALO would do to what Sublimity scraped home against……..
Must have slipped your mind Fist!
Most of the hurdlers are much of a muchness they are late 150’s early 160’s horses ………… then you get Binocular and Celestial Halo who I both have in the 170’s. That Ascot form is ten lengths better than anything else this season and IMO the best hurdles form for years. I maintain that Celestial Halo is a stupid price for the Champion, should be second favourite and he’s the only possible danger to Binocular at Cheltenham. The others Punjabi, Katchit, Sublimity included have loads to find.
Fist is right Sublimity won’t stay, Celestial will ensure a strong pace and Sublimity will not get within ten lengths of winning.
Remember this post when the Champion Hurdle is over – unless of course I’m wrong then feel free to forget its existance.
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