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Slowly beginning to appreciate this horse, I’m open to correction here, but despite being a relatively late foal he won the very first 2-yr-old race in Ireland last year. Has anyy 2000 winner been out so early? He also won every major 2 yr old race; Coventry/National/Dewhurst.
Highly tried, and tough enough, the Derby might be a step too far on breeding, but he hasn’t ducked any challenge so far.Was Dawn Run the mare?
You mean the one who died in the 1986 French champion hurdle?
Mike
I would like him to win the Derby for "the boys in blue".They might decide to stay with the regular trainers and to keep supporting English racing.Although it seems like Quatar is assuming that role.Frankly I believe the lack of stamina will find him out in the final furlong if not before.Lester maintained that a mile and a quarter horse can win the derby because the course does not favor a stayer,( I know cauthen could do it with his sense of pace )Faber said if you think you have enough staying power to win the derby you have too much.
I mean the one who won the GOLD CUP at Cheltenham.Good memories trump all others.Every man to his own.
Was Dawn Run the mare?
Of course, I was there that unforgettable day. First horse to do C Hurdle/G Cup double, one of the few novices to win GC (I know shewasn’t strictly a novice, she’d had one run the previous season). I think she broke the course record that day as well.
If you watch the video, after Jonjo punches the air, you’ll see a black hat sail up in the air; that was my hat.
The real tragedy is that, because of greed, she never reached her full potential; those whom the gods love die young
ONLY horse to do the double! I don’t think it was greed.I believe the owner wanted to see her mare racing since she was an older woman.Hence her rush to get her ready for the Gold Cup instead of racking up a couple of Champion Hurdles.The mare was half blind.Witness her running into the first fence at Liverpool.I understand she failed to take off for a hurdle in Paris or where ever.Incidentally Buck House, her rival in Ireland was put out to grass while Dawn Run went over to France to die. Buck House got ill while out on grass and dies that same season.So whether grass or greed both dies the same season.
Would absolutely love Dawn Approach to win the Derby but if I were lucky enough to own him I would be aiming him at the middle distance races between now and July:
He does hold entries in the
Irish 2000 Guineas – 25th May
St. James’s Palace Stakes – 18th June
Coral Eclipse – 6th JulyAs you only get one bite at the cherry for the Derby can’t blame connections for declaring him a runner, but will he run? Bookies very quick to jump on the bandwagon after his 2000 Guineas success, but I would rather wait until the day to bet on him, there is no doubt he will give 100 per cent.
With regard to his Dam
Hymn of the Dawn
(aka Dawn Run
)
Did a little research on her pedigree and discovered that she is byPhone Trick
who actually sired
Favorite Trick
who was the first 2yo to be voted USA Horse of the Year in 1997. He did in fact win over 9 furlongs during his career, but was also defeated, close to the end of the race, on his first effort into 3rd place.
Phone Trick
was out of
Clever Trick
who was out of
Neartic
by
Nearco
& Lady Angela
whose Sire was
Hyperion
So to conclude, when you look deeper into his Dams pedigree Dawn Approach does have the ability and breeding to win the Derby on both sides, the genious that is Jim Bolger would have all this taken into account and would not be sending him to Epsom without a chance..Jac
Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Was Dawn Run the mare?
Of course, I was there that unforgettable day.
I wasn’t there but I watched the race and O’Sullevan’s famous commentary was actually:-
"The mare’s
beginning
to get up"
Picky I know, but that was what he said.
This was the full closing stages:-
"It’s Wayward Lad. The veteran, trying to break his Cheltenham hoodoo being pressed now by Dawn Run. Dawn Run in the centre, Forgive N’ Forget on the nearside, as they race to the line- and the mare’s beginning to get up! And as they come to the line, she’s made it! Dawn Run has won it! Dawn Run has won it from Wayward Lad!"
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
Was Dawn Run the mare?
Of course, I was there that unforgettable day.
I wasn’t there but I watched the race and O’Sullevan’s famous commentary was actually:-
"The mare’s
beginning
to get up"
Picky I know, but that was what he said.
This was the full closing stages:-
"It’s Wayward Lad. The veteran, trying to break his Cheltenham hoodoo being pressed now by Dawn Run. Dawn Run in the centre, Forgive N’ Forget on the nearside, as they race to the line- and the mare’s beginning to get up! And as they come to the line, she’s made it! Dawn Run has won it! Dawn Run has won it from Wayward Lad!"
Listen to the des Scahill’s radio commentary, sounds like he is going to explode; awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Xv_J2K56kWould absolutely love Dawn Approach to win the Derby but if I were lucky enough to own him I would be aiming him at the middle distance races between now and July:
He does hold entries in the
Irish 2000 Guineas – 25th May
St. James’s Palace Stakes – 18th June
Coral Eclipse – 6th JulyAs you only get one bite at the cherry for the Derby can’t blame connections for declaring him a runner, but will he run? Bookies very quick to jump on the bandwagon after his 2000 Guineas success, but I would rather wait until the day to bet on him, there is no doubt he will give 100 per cent.
With regard to his Dam
Hymn of the Dawn
(aka Dawn Run
)
Did a little research on her pedigree and discovered that she is byPhone Trick
who actually sired
Favorite Trick
who was the first 2yo to be voted USA Horse of the Year in 1997. He did in fact win over 9 furlongs during his career, but was also defeated, close to the end of the race, on his first effort into 3rd place.
Phone Trick
was out of
Clever Trick
who was out of
Neartic
by
Nearco
& Lady Angela
whose Sire was
Hyperion
So to conclude, when you look deeper into his Dams pedigree Dawn Approach does have the ability and breeding to win the Derby on both sides, the genious that is Jim Bolger would have all this taken into account and would not be sending him to Epsom without a chance..Jac
If you got back far enough many horses have Nearco in there somewhere!! He is the Grand Sire of Northern Dancer after all.
I reckon he’ll stay – his sire stayed very well indeed and this fellow has a much better temperament and ability to settle which will play very much in his favour.
True enough, we all had doubts about Sea The Stars stamina because of Cape Cross and so it proved that one staying parent was enough to produce the requisite stamina.
At least Bolger is game enough to have a go, and not being too precious about his horse’s perfect record…
If you got back far enough many horses have Nearco in there somewhere!! He is the Grand Sire of Northern Dancer after all.
Great champions all AOTF.
With the lack of lively contenders for any of this years classics, as yet, Dawn Approach has given us something to anticipate and look forward too. Pleased to have been there to see him take the Guineas, now bring on the Derby.
Cormack please bring back some nice shots of him if you are going as you did of Camelot last year..
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Would absolutely love Dawn Approach to win the Derby but if I were lucky enough to own him I would be aiming him at the middle distance races between now and July:
He does hold entries in the
Irish 2000 Guineas – 25th May
St. James’s Palace Stakes – 18th June
Coral Eclipse – 6th JulyAs you only get one bite at the cherry for the Derby can’t blame connections for declaring him a runner, but will he run? Bookies very quick to jump on the bandwagon after his 2000 Guineas success, but I would rather wait until the day to bet on him, there is no doubt he will give 100 per cent.
With regard to his Dam
Hymn of the Dawn
(aka Dawn Run
)
Did a little research on her pedigree and discovered that she is byPhone Trick
who actually sired
Favorite Trick
who was the first 2yo to be voted USA Horse of the Year in 1997. He did in fact win over 9 furlongs during his career, but was also defeated, close to the end of the race, on his first effort into 3rd place.
Phone Trick
was out of
Clever Trick
who was out of
Neartic
by
Nearco
& Lady Angela
whose Sire was
Hyperion
So to conclude, when you look deeper into his Dams pedigree Dawn Approach does have the ability and breeding to win the Derby on both sides, the genious that is Jim Bolger would have all this taken into account and would not be sending him to Epsom without a chance..Jac
Three other horses were named Horse of the Year as 2yos: Northern Dancer, Moccasin and Secretariat.
Phone Trick is NOT a classic sire; he himself was a sprinter, and his best progeny were either brilliantly fast 2yos who drop precipitously in form as 3yos, or sprinters.
However, Dawn Approach’s 2nd damsire is Pleasant Colony, who is a definite stamina influence.As a general rule it is the mare’s line that provides the stamina in a pedigree (there are exceptions of course). Also a sprinter X stayer rarely produces a middle distance horse; it ends up either a sprinter or a stayer.
There have been Derby winners sired by sprinters: Hard Ridden & Dr Devious, but they have been from stoutly bred female lines, rare exceptions to the sprinter X stayer.
Dawn Approach may well stay or he might have the class to carry him a further two furlongs. Not that many of the horses in the betting are guaranteed to stay the distance. Might be a year for a big improving outsider.
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