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Pinza i have a slight issue regard Fame and Glory he is being aimed at the Ascot Gold Cup with a prep race in the Vintage Crop in Navan ala Yeats according to the trainers latest issue on running plans
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When the fav wins a classic the opposite is the first thought , he won it as expected the form stood up. So when I heard rumours of Coolmore shortening Fame and Glory it certainly seems plausible to me. How do you see it as devaluing the bloodstock ? My questions , how long since the Irish Champion replaced the English equivalent as the primary target for bloodstock interests or was it ever thus?
You make a good point, and it’s comparatively rare for an embryonic champion such as
Makfi
to win a classic at long odds. This wouldn’t have applied to
Fame and Glory
though, who was strong favourite or 2nd favourite for the Derby from the moment he won the Ballysax (
before
the Guineas) until the day of the Epsom classic itself:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ … 127918.ece
How would winning the Derby as favourite have affected his stud valuation, compared against winning the Derby as 2nd favourite? His record consequent to the race would have been far more important than his price on the day, in determining his stallion rating. He would still have had to demonstrate his speed over 10F, which he (kind of) did in his 10.5F Curragh Gp.1 last year.
The truth of the matter lies in the going change at Epsom, for which see another of my posts.
The Irish Champion Stakes has been cleverly marketed since its move away from the doomed Phoenix Park to highly congenial Leopardstown, and has picked up the pieces from the loss in prestige of the Newmarket race, now too close for comfort to the Arc (a mere 13 days later) to attract the very best. The French race eclipsed the Champion Stakes from about 1970, and the move to Ascot will not reverse the trend, unless the Arc itself loses kudos, which it might well do in time.
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Pinza i have a slight issue regard Fame and Glory he is being aimed at the Ascot Gold Cup with a prep race in the Vintage Crop in Navan ala Yeats according to the trainers latest issue on running plans
I’d only seen the Coronation Cup entries, and didn’t know about that Cup Campaign plan. Thank you. It rather looks as if they’ve given up on
Fame and Glory
as potential stallion, if that’s the route they’re taking.
Either that, or Magnier is trying to big up the prestige of staying stallions. If that’s the case, I wish him every success!
Yes i think with other horses they have(4yr old+) and the lack or the real gears plus the fact they already have to reduce Montjeu Stallion fee and with another stamina laden sire Hurricane Run, i think its the right choice.
I personally a massive fan of the horse and hopefully he go on and dominate the cup division
I probably don’t know what I am talking about but it seems to me that Montjeu has not been very successful getting fillies to race.Also his stock seem a little difficult to straighten out and race.The older they get the more difficult they become.Some seem to benefit from racing over hurdles. Perhaps the jumps keep their attention on racing.Again I am not speaking from research just from anecdotal observation.
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