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Implementing the idea costs nothing, Pinza, but how much money has been wasted in thinking it up in the first place? And why are we so desperate to encourage international punters; how many racing jurisdictions are altering their setup to suit us?
Will they announce this in advance or will it be like Beverley’s track maintenance when they tell us after a Berry camel has hacked up from stall one.
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Fantastic innovation, must have took months to come up with this idea – lets hope it revolutionises racing.
I’m fine with the idea.
But where do you find out how much overseas betting has helped British racing? In with the Tote figures, no doubt?
Well, it
does
make perfect sense.
A simple change which will bring us into line with nearly all of the rest of the world.
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Well, it
does
make perfect sense.
A simple change which will bring us into line with nearly all of the rest of the world.
Then perhaps someone could explain why the Prix L’Abbaye is always drawn from the
outside
(i.e. stands-side) rail?
?I also think this change is for the good.
The Abbaye stalls position makes "perfect sense". Longchamp is a right handed track but all the sprints are in fact run left handed on a straight track so the number one starting position is in the correct spot.Jesus Christ, a BHA Director Jamie Stier said the change will encourage runners from overseas to run here, I despair of these people running our sport.
If you were starting the sport from scratch maybe it’s something you would do but I can’t see any possible benefit to doing it now.
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Jesus Christ, a BHA Director Jamie Stier said the change will encourage runners from overseas to run here
Complete joke, I thought this was the point of Ascot stealing The Champions Stakes.
Neither can I & of course they still have to have consultations with the relevant tracks. what if some say no?
I can’t see it influencing overseas betting one way or the other although the BHA could have data to prove otherwise in which case where is the market research which drove them to this conclusion. Honestly imo this is tinkering for tinkering’s sake. They said the idea was simple, well they got that right!
Incidentally Ireland have no plans to change, so if overseas punters bet on English & Irish racing how much confusion is that going to cause? More likely to turn them off I reckon.
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I also think this change is for the good.
The Abbaye stalls position makes "perfect sense". Longchamp is a right handed track but all the sprints are in fact run left handed on a straight track so the number one starting position is in the correct spot.So can you explain where the 1 stall will be, at such as Salisbury, Ripon and Beverley – inside, or not?
What I wrote in the other thread on this issue
Now I feel clueless, I never noticed that the stalls were numbered differently in the UK. But then, there’s very little post position bias because the turns aren’t as tight.
An easier way to help overseas punters is putting weights in kilograms/plain old pounds rather than
stones
. It’s just annoying to translate weights back and forth, not to mention that the stone measurement is used about as often in the rest of the world as the bushel and the cubit.
Any change has costs.
Daily and racing papers have to change their information on biases. People who use programs to analyse the draw have to change all their software and past data. ATR and Raceform will have a large extra data change cost for their historic draw analysis.Not the slightest hint that punters who supply the money and actually use draw data will even be considered, let alone consulted. Not the slightest hint that service providers who supply the data and actually analyse draw data will even be considered, let alone consulted. Until BHA realise that customers count those customers will continue to go elsewhere to sports that do consider their needs. Newspapers etc will provide less and less racing data and copy and that kills the sport by a thousand cuts.
It is a pointless initiative and the worst thing is that there is absolutely no evidence that overseas customers are in the slightest confused or are holding back betting money because of any confusion. As with any pointless initiative it looks as if something is being done when nothing is being done and the longer they do nothing positive the worse the racing funding problem becomes.
If overseas punters see no sectional times, nor horse body weights they definitely are put off betting large sums with a lack of critical data. No mention of the real issues once again.
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Any change has costs.
Daily and racing papers have to change their information on biases. People who use programs to analyse the draw have to change all their software and past data. ATR and Raceform will have a large extra data change cost for their historic draw analysis.Not the slightest hint that punters who supply the money and actually use draw data will even be considered, let alone consulted. Not the slightest hint that service providers who supply the data and actually analyse draw data will even be considered, let alone consulted. Until BHA realise that customers count those customers will continue to go elsewhere to sports that do consider their needs. Newspapers etc will provide less and less racing data and copy and that kills the sport by a thousand cuts.
It is a pointless initiative and the worst thing is that there is absolutely no evidence that overseas customers are in the slightest confused or are holding back betting money because of any confusion. As with any pointless initiative it looks as if something is being done when nothing is being done and the longer they do nothing positive the worse the racing funding problem becomes.
If overseas punters see no sectional times, nor horse body weights they definitely are put off betting large sums with a lack of critical data. No mention of the real issues once again.
Spot on, Robert; why bend to fit a market we don’t know is there?
I’ll second that. Good post Robert, shame the numpties at RFC don’t think that way, but they probably are just P.R. and advertising types.
Incidentally the thing that I have noticed that confuses people who rarely go racing is the fact that saddlecloth numbers are not the same as the stall numbers. Trying to alter that might be fun!
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