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  • #325153
    Anonymous
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    Not sure whether anyone else has flagged this up, but Sean Boyce has posted an excellent, balanced blog on the scandal:
    http://boyciesbettingblog.com/betting-n … rooney.php

    #325158
    Avatar photoDrone
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    Self-made apparently Drone –

    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-164616426.html

    Thanks

    Glad he’s not yet another City man, anyway

    #325161
    Anonymous
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    Thank you bluechariot for the Deloitte report link. Fascinating reading, revealing more holes and unfounded suppositions in the (various) Racing Authorities’ arguments for an increased levy than you’d find in a Pasta factory sieve.

    I was particularly struck by this one:

    2.30
    Falling Levy receipts may lead to owners, trainers and horses moving abroad and Racing has provided anecdotal evidence that some British horseracing activity may eventually be displaced. Racing has not, however, provided firm or quantifiable evidence to show the extent to which this displacement is happening or may occur in the future if the Levy does not achieve Racing’s target. Further, the relative financial attraction of international racing has been a factor for many years and it is difficult to isolate the impact of a changing Levy from owners’ other motivations in choosing where to race their horses.

    In other words, Deloitte see no evidence to support the oft-repeated levy-raising contention, that owners are going elsewhere as prize money continues to lag behind that available in other countries. We’ve been hearing this

    canard

    for years, and I for one am glad to see it questioned in a fiscal report of this depth and sense.

    #325187
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    Pinza,

    Agree.
    The "big" owners’ absolute motivation is as always to show they can easily afford it all – so prizemoney is irrelevant.
    And who do they want to show that to? – people that attend UK racing. Winning large prizes overseas is something totally ignored by their "envious" colleagues. Being a "somebody" interviewed on UK TV after a winner is priceless, whatever the prize.

    #325273
    wit
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    Alan

    Apart from paying the ROA your annual sub, you also give them the following under their Articles of Association:

    “15 (A) Association members do hereby grant to the ROA an exclusive gratuitous licence of the Intellectual Property Rights for the Authorised Purpose.”

    where

    Intellectual Property Rights means ”…all rights of whatever nature in and to the Data…”

    Data means “all data..in relation to Horse Races [defined as horse races in the UK] concerning (a) the entry of Association members’ horses, (b) the form, performance and results of their horses, (c) the colours under which the Association member races, (d) the details of the owner, jockey and/or trainer of their horses, (e) the details of their horses including name, breeding, weights, draw and handicapping and (f) all other details of their horses which are currently or may at any time in the future be made available to bookmakers, broadcasters, newspapers or Weatherbys”.

    Authorised Purpose “means the use of Intellectual Property Rights in connection with (a) betting, gaming or wagering anywhere in the world on Horse Races, (b) the transmission of pictures, video, audio or data anywhere in the world of Horse Races by television, radio, internet, mobile phones or any other means now or in the future known, (c) race cards of Horse Races, and (d) such other purposes relating to the exploitation of horseracing (excluding merchandising) as the Council may from time to time decide.”

    Don’t know much about the mechanics by which an owner strike might be achieved, but anything which could be brought within the above – particularly (d) – the ROA Council would seem to have your pre-authority to do.

    Drone,

    Companies House says Paul Dixon is in this business:

    http://www.cugos.com/about.html

    #325296
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    Wit,

    Should anyone who is a member of the ROA (as I am also) resign forthwith if they disagree with the proposed strike, in order to avoid supporting it (implicitly or perhaps even explicitly) through the Articles of Association you have outlined?

    #325297
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    It gets funnier by the hour… :lol:

    The ROA’s president Paul Dixon is calling for strike action due to betting revenue not making it back into the sport yet the ROA have just accepted a £250000 donation from Betfair.

    The story replete with Befair Corporate Logo can be found on the ROA’s own website. :o

    http://www.racehorseowners.net/ :lol:

    According to The Mail, Nic Coward wont go on a live TV debate on Monday night. Roy cant go on because of his Betfair "involvement". Looks like Silvoir will be doing the honours instead.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/racing … ds-newsxml

    Mr Topping must be piszing himself at this stage. :lol:

    #325299
    Glenn
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    It’s becoming increasingly obvious that The Rabble retired to the sun years ago. They left behind instructions for where to wire their pay and a series of press releases and recordings on infinite loop – can’t you tell by their repetitive nature? Every October we have the same old nonsense about squeezing more levy from the books and unlicensed exchange layers, every turn of the year we hear threats of strikes and blank days. Every January we get a u-turn………..

    Ralph Topping and Paul Struthers have stayed behind to clarify any of these automated recordings and brief the press, but essentially there’s no-one at home and hasn’t been for years.

    The submission to the levy doesn’t go into details on 90% of costs and expenses as it had to be made vague enough to cover any concievable development for years to come, so it could be re-submitted every year.

    Of course nobody’s around to do the interview and all that’s left is for Paul Struthers to re-cut an interview Coward did with ATR years back.

    #325303
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    It gets funnier by the hour… :lol:

    More desperate by the hour morelike

    Are we finally approaching the crossroads/watershed/implosion/self-immolation/towering inferno that’s long looked likely?

    The credibilty of the BHA is waning so so fast: Roy’s conflict of interests; the damning Deloitte report; a wholly understandable reticence – if APR and Prufrock’s thoughts are representative – of some?many?most? owners to join Dixon’s ill-devised strike; and now a refusal from Coward and Roy to take the rare – should be treasured – opportunity to put across their case on TV.

    Where do the BHA, Racing and We go from here?

    #325307
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    You never mentioned the Betfair corporate logo plastered on the homepage of the ROA website, Drone. :shock:

    Was the term "rabble" ever more apt. :roll:

    #325308
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    Four six-inch nails is sufficient to fasten a coffin lid CR, though just for you I’ll drive a fifth through the heart of the deceased

    Job done, dead, RIP and off to the Crem

    from those ashes…??

    #325343
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    I must admit that I have ceased to find it funny of late.

    I was one of those scoffing at the idiots ignoring the shrill warnings of the passengers and steering us straight towards the iceberg, imagining that they would see sense before it was too late and be forced to climb down.

    Now I am looking nervously for the nearest lifeboat.

    #325362
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    I’m finding it funnier than ever.

    On the Betfair £250,000 donation, it’s good that they have funded all of 16 and a bit meetings on a 6 race per card basis at £2,500 per race.

    It looks like the cheapest advertising going to me. :roll:

    #325370
    Anonymous
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    I’m finding it funnier than ever.

    On the Betfair £250,000 donation, it’s good that they have funded all of 16 and a bit meetings on a 6 race per card basis at £2,500 per race.

    It looks like the cheapest advertising going to me. :roll:

    It’s an interesting point though; how much do bookmakers as a whole contribute to racing through sponsorship?

    #325376
    jose1993
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    According to the BHA Annual Report for this year sponsors contributed £14,687,265 (13.3%) in prize money.

    But, for now, with Betfair being the only company playing the semi-charitable company act, Roy and co might keep quiet for a few days. Doubt it, but it might be worth more in good publicity for Betfair than the "business" numbers suggest.

    #325377
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    Did anyone catch the Betfair cartoon in the Racing Post today on Page 5!, could some one tell me what the hell that was all about – cheers.

    #325379
    Glenn
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    Probable line-ups for Monday night’s debate:

    Ralph Topping representing the BHA
    Paul Roy representing Betfair
    Paul Struthers representing the bookmakers

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