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    Flotus @ 20/1

    Seems to be flying under the radar a bit considering she was the second highest rated filly in Europe over 6 furlongs.

    Had a big reputation early on last year and seemed to get back on track in her last two runs when allowed to blast away from the front. Would of won the Cheveley Park last year virtually unchallenged if not for bumping into an above average filly on the day.

    Earned a rating of 112 for that run which was a quicker time than Perfect Power and carried the same weight in the Middle Park half an hour later and subsequently sold to big owners in Japan over the Winter.

    Said to be staying in the UK as a 3YO and was taken out at the forfeit stage for the 1000 Guineas last week, which maybe suggests she will be starting off at sprint distance for now. Entered for the Commonwealth Cup trial over 6 at Ascot on Wednesday which looks a decent race.

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Does look a very good race that at ascot on Wednesday

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    If perfect power wins the guineas id be thinking he won’t come here

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    I do think a lot hinges on how Perfect Power and Tenebrism run in the 2,000 Guineas and the 1,000 Guineas next weekend.

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Completely agree Ian

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    Go Bears Go, 25/1.

    Ran a great race in last year’s BC Juvenile Sprint where he was just short at the wire finishing second to Twilight Gleaming. Although she lost her seasonal debut a couple of weeks ago at Keenland, the winner (Slipstream) finished 6th to Modern Games in last year’s BC Juvenile Turf (1M). So the form is not all that bad.

    G.B.G is also entered to run on Wednesday…

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    Go bears go won well

    Just a shame the race cut up so badly

    He didn’t look the biggest so not sure how much more improvement there is to come but he’s certainly thrown his hat into the ring

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    Tenebrism 15-1. A step back in trip looks inevitable.

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    Not a bad price but wonder if it’s because Tenebrism won’t be running in this.
    Didn’t seem to fail today due to a lack of stamina, so too early to say she doesn’t stay.

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    I think its more a case of them pushing out price when others haven’t.

    Didnt stay to me. Went 3rd at 1f pole then faded.

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    I think you have nailed it Ginge. Possibly that Cheveley Park was not the best of races but the Fillies Mile looks like it was an absolute belter. :unsure:

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    botchy, Sandrine ran a blinder from the wrong side of the track today. Behind in her coat noticed by paddock watcher. And she came from the Cheveley Park. This is the Commonwealth Cup thread btw ;o)

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    Three of the first four in the Cheveley Park came up the favoured stand side rail though, Mike. So the overall form of the race looks suspect to me.ie Tenebrism (and Flotus come to that) may not be quite what they seemed and could be a little flattered in their relation to the Cheveley Park third, Sandrine.

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    FinalFurlong91
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    Tenebrism an obvious non stayer at a mile

    Hopefully aimed here now, though you never know with obrein, he thinks his slow horses are fast and his fast horses are slow

    Happy with her and perfect power as two bullets this far out

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    Although watching Tenebrism in the final furlong might look a non stayer as she faded a little (not knocked about), the point I am making is she didn’t travel like a sprinter.

    Would you expect one that’s best at 6f to be pushed along fully three furlongs out at a mile? Especially in a mile race run at not an overly strong pace (although not at all slow).
    Surely should be still on the bridle at that point?

    Winner Cachet, Sandrine and Hello You all travelled much better at that stage.

    Therefore imo still possible just wasn’t herself today.

    …Then you have the question of who else Coolmore have for the Coronation if (as is extremely likely) Tuesday goes to Epsom? Is Toy good enough?

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    FinalFurlong91
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    She was being pushed along after 100 yards in the Cheveley park before showing a withering turn of foot clocking extremely fast back end sectionals

    Until I see further evidence she’s a sprinter in my eyes

    Being a 6/7f horse is almost an advantage in 6f races at ascot anyway

    See dream of dreams and creative force last year winning the two big sprints

    The really fast ones don’t get home

    #1596606
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    Cheveley Park was 6f FF.

    Huge difference between:

    1) A sprinter being pushed along when racing against other sprinters, especially only her second run of her life.

    And

    2) Supposedly a sprinter being pushed along three furlongs out when racing against milers.

    Not saying Tenebrism won’t be effective at 6f, especially a stiff course 6f of Ascot. It’s just that if she’s an out and out sprinter I wouldn’t expect her to be pushed along 3 furlongs out when racing against milers at a mile.

    ie Can see her remaining at a mile at Ascot – depending on what else Coolmore have for both Coronation and Commonwealth Cup.

    If Toy were to win the French Guineas or they find another mile filly then Tenebrism may well go for the Commonwealth Cup. But those are quite big IFs at this stage.

    If New York City fulfils his potential and looks a classy sprinter, Tenebrism could remain at a mile.

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