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Looking at betting for races there never seems to be a Tizzard horse at too short a price. There is a Nichols factor and Henderson factor where there horses are often shorter than their merits simply because of the reputation of the trainer. There is great value to be had with Tizzard. Just an example If the horse that came second in the Hennessey was trained by Nichols or Mullins it would not have been 16/1. Tizzard is underrated and under estimated in my opinion
His horses are invariably turned out looking extremely well. Knows the time of day and his background in stock management is an asset I am sure.
He’s obviously doing something right, but I’m not sure it’s deliberate. He made a right balls of Cue Card at a critical point in the horse’s career. He knew something had gone wrong with the horse in the 2013 King George when Cue Card stopped to nothing: he now says he believes it might well have been the first time the horse experienced a trapped epiglottis. BUT, after finally having the problem dealt with (August this year, 20 months after it was fist suspected) Tizzard said, “It’s something that has been in the back of our minds for a long time but the horse had been so brilliant we thought it disrespectful to even think about doing it.”
Yep, you read that right, he did not want to disrespect a horse who could not breathe properly, but that respect for his stable star did not extend to stopping him racing when he was distressed and fighting for breath. Astounding.
Tizzard comes across as a real horse lover too. Sure, he’s a big self-promoter and not averse to a snide gamble, but I always get the impression that the horses come first.
He seems genuinely awed by Thistlecrack. It was lovely to hear him speak about his old flagship horse Joe Lively on TV at the weekend – he clearly hasn’t lost sight of the horses who put his yard on the map in the first place.
He’s obviously doing something right, but I’m not sure it’s deliberate. He made a right balls of Cue Card at a critical point in the horse’s career. He knew something had gone wrong with the horse in the 2013 King George when Cue Card stopped to nothing: he now says he believes it might well have been the first time the horse experienced a trapped epiglottis. BUT, after finally having the problem dealt with (August this year, 20 months after it was fist suspected) Tizzard said, “It’s something that has been in the back of our minds for a long time but the horse had been so brilliant we thought it disrespectful to even think about doing it.”
Yep, you read that right, he did not want to disrespect a horse who could not breathe properly, but that respect for his stable star did not extend to stopping him racing when he was distressed and fighting for breath. Astounding.
Trainers are asked a lot of things and I think we are sometimes guilty of taking what they say too literally Joe. Am sure all of them exaggerate a little from time to time.
“In the back of my mind”: Used to express that something is in one’s mind but is not consciously thought of or remembered.
Is it not possible Tizzard just thought there were more likely reasons for the horse’s poor performance and wanted to try that/those first?
Stable went in to Boxing Day in diabolical form, so very possible had a bad virus.
King George proved Cue Card’s last run of the season, originally supposed to come back for March, but diagnosed with a minor stress fracture of the pelvis shortly before Cheltenham.Could Cue Card have both an op’ for a trapped epiglottis and a remedy for minor stress fracture at the same time?
Am sure Tizzard did not run Cue Card knowing it “could not breath properly” or would be “distressed” or “fighting for breath”.
Value Is EverythingGinger, attached as I am to the horse, I always try to be fair. Trainers do indeed make throwaway comments, but they’re usually of the nature of ‘he’s the best since xxxx’, or, ‘I’ll enter him in the Gold Cup,’, but ‘We didn’t want to disrespect the horse by operating on his wind’ – seriously? That is bizarre and is continents away from a casual or throwaway comment.
This man is not just a trainer, he trains the horse in question. I wouldn’t know where to begin training a horse, but from the second I saw him fold in the KG I knew there was something badly wrong with him. There are posts here from me probably into double figures that run from an hour after that race right up to his comeback victory this season saying so. There are at least twenty more on twitter after people asked me why I’m not tipping Cue Card. It got to the stage I was cutting and pasting this: ‘Something went wrong with him in the 2013 King George and until I see it’s been put right, I won’t back him again’
After his pelvis op, Tizzard ran him 5 more times, each of which I watched with a fair degree of sadness. His form this season gives me zero pleasure and no satisfaction whatever that I was right about him. It just makes me angry that it was left so long. He might yet do what I always thought he would. But he’d have been utterly imperious as a clean-winded individual, as the 2013 KG showed. But, above all, he would not have had to struggle round trying to do his best among lesser horses because his trainer had some daft anthropomorphic wish not to ‘disrespect’ the horse. I say again…astounding.
“It’s something that has been in the back of our minds for a long time but the horse had been so brilliant we thought it disrespectful to even think about doing it.”
Surely that’s a contradiction on Tizzard’s part. If he thought he was so brilliant, then after the KG fold, you would definitely think something was wrong
I watched the race back a couple of weeks ago and had forgot how badly he had folded. He jumped the second last brilliantly but then just seem to stop within a few strides.
Ginger, attached as I am to the horse, I always try to be fair. Trainers do indeed make throwaway comments, but they’re usually of the nature of ‘he’s the best since xxxx’, or, ‘I’ll enter him in the Gold Cup,’, but ‘We didn’t want to disrespect the horse by operating on his wind’ – seriously? That is bizarre and is continents away from a casual or throwaway comment.
This man is not just a trainer, he trains the horse in question. I wouldn’t know where to begin training a horse, but from the second I saw him fold in the KG I knew there was something badly wrong with him. There are posts here from me probably into double figures that run from an hour after that race right up to his comeback victory this season saying so. There are at least twenty more on twitter after people asked me why I’m not tipping Cue Card. It got to the stage I was cutting and pasting this: ‘Something went wrong with him in the 2013 King George and until I see it’s been put right, I won’t back him again’
After his pelvis op, Tizzard ran him 5 more times, each of which I watched with a fair degree of sadness. His form this season gives me zero pleasure and no satisfaction whatever that I was right about him. It just makes me angry that it was left so long. He might yet do what I always thought he would. But he’d have been utterly imperious as a clean-winded individual, as the 2013 KG showed. But, above all, he would not have had to struggle round trying to do his best among lesser horses because his trainer had some daft anthropomorphic wish not to ‘disrespect’ the horse. I say again…astounding.
You’re still concentrating/judging someone too much on words and not actions Joe.
Bloody obvious something was wrong with Cue Card in the 2013 King George.Point is they had to diagnose what the problem was.
As said: Tizzard was in diabolical form at the time and very possible Cue Card had a virus. What happens in a race where the horse runs with a virus? Answer: Often travels well before finding nowt.
What do you think would happen if a horse came to the second last cantering and then fractued his pelvis? Would he not stop to nothing? …And (before his next run) the horse was actually diagnosed with this problem!
Even if looking directly for specific problems, vets can look and not find. They’re often difficult to identify and isn’t as if connections weren’t trying to find the problem.
I believe Colin Tizzard has thought for some time the problem was to do with breathing, but which one? Am sure every possible breathing problem was “at the back of Tizzard’s mind”. Am sure if they’d found it was a trapped epiglottis they’d have given him the operation right there and then, but a trapped epiglottis is not the only possible breathing problem.
How many breathing operations can a horse take in one go?
I see – along with treatment on the pelvic fracture – he was actually given a different “breathing operation” before his November 2014 reappearance. Is it not best to try what they believe are the most likely reasons first and give it a good go, rather than give Cue Card multiple breathing operations all at the same time? Should Tizzard have told his vets they don’t know what they’re talking about and to do a trapped epiglottis operation instead?
When should Cue Card have had the epiglottis operation Joe?
Am sure Colin Tizzard blames himself for not finding the reason sooner; that’s just natural and what trainers who care about their horses do. Doesn’t mean we should do so when there is no evidence.
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