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Fist ,we will have to wait and see,but i hope that ground is goodish,i just cant see binoculer reversing that form,and if i can get 3-1 or more on Go Native then i hope, he and Kauto start my new year with a bang.I agree Starluck is not out of this contest.That was no fluke at Newcastle,Go Native won with plenty in hand.
Fist I dunno why you are getting your knickers in a knot about Starluck the horse just isn’t good enough to win a race like this.
Binocular to redeem himself.
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Fist ,we will have to wait and see,but i hope that ground is goodish,i just cant see binoculer reversing that form,and if i can get 3-1 or more on Go Native then i hope, he and Kauto start my new year with a bang.I agree Starluck is not out of this contest.That was no fluke at Newcastle,Go Native won with plenty in hand.
If you truly believe that why are you expecting to get 3/1 about a horse who is taking on another horse he beat 7 lengths at the same weights only a few weeks ago?
If anyone took that race seriously, especially the bookmakers wouldn’t Go Native be about a 2/5 shot?
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Fist I dunno why you are getting your knickers in a knot about Starluck the horse just isn’t good enough to win a race like this.
Binocular to redeem himself.
There’s little doubt in my mind we will see a different Binocular than we saw at Newcastle but knowing Nicky Henderson he’ll be fit enough to win but still have a fair bit to work on.
Many trainer just overdo it sometimes and get caught out in races like this when something else runs better than expected.
Starluck’s trainer has nothing to lose and he can afford to have him 100%.
Starluck travels as well as any other hurdler in the country and a lot better than most and has a great turn of foot.
He was absolutely hacking all over the top of Zaynar and co in the Triumph but the strong pace and the trip round there found him out. If that had been round Kempton where stamina wasn’t an issue he would surely have gone very close to winning or even won.
Like many other horses who run at Aintree after a hard race at Chelters he flopped. He did win at Cheltenham this season but that wasn’t at Triumph hurdle pace plus he had very little to beat.
Alan Fleming may train in Dorking but he’s a long way from being a Dork. I reckon the man knows the Champion Hurdle is out of the question for Starluck due to the course and this is his Champion Hurdle..he absolutely hacked up here on his last appearance seems to have trained on and I think if there is a danger he’s the one.
This looks a tricky race to call as there looks to be no pace to the race unless they are using Straw Bear to make it !
Cape Tribulation of course could try and make it but I’m not sure he could go anywhere near fast enough anyway so we are possibly left with another muddling pace which on previous evidence should have suited Binocular but on Newcastle form apparently doesn’t now 
Binocular would need to win this well for me to re-enter the Champion picture as his Grade 1 record of 1(the novice at Aintree) from 4 is getting worrying. I could quite easily see either Go Native or Starluck giving him a race particularly if the ground doesn’t soften and if he gets beaten I think you can throw your ante post vouchers away. A watching with interest race for me.5/4 Binoc, 7/4 Go Native, 7/1 Starluck.
Never thougth I’d say this but I’m with Fist- Starluck looks a big price, especially as you are likely to be able to lay him shorter in-running.One of your stranger comments regarding the prices Fist -surely the only way forward in this game is to dive in when you think the bookies have made a rare error not follow them like sheep.
In my opinion the Newcastle form is worth plenty, and Binocular is rapidly becoming the biggest Talking Horse jumping sticks. This is the reason the value is with the seasons form horse (Go Native) is there.
If he flops, he flops, but Go Native is surely the value bet.
Well well well,what a bunch of short memories we have hear!The best form for the Champion hurdle shown so far is Celestial Halo winning at Wincanton and what does Binocular do to Celestial anywhere else but Cheltenham!Exactly! wake up and smell the coffee! Starbucks my Ar*e!!Binocular will wait and wait and wait.until Starluck has to be ridden,then whoosh!Go Native is the only danger depending which one turns up!! 5/4 Binocular,Fist you will be charged with Treason and you know the punishment!Off with his head!
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I’ve already hammered Binocular there was never any risk of treason mate
But this Go Native is value? This deserves a reply
Going into the Newcastle race his OR was 153 and Binocular was 169
If he improved 16lbs or Binocular ran anywhere near his best I’m Jonathan Routh and your on candid camera
There is a value bet in the race it’s Binocular at 4/5 but it’s late and I can’t be bothered explaining it to you at the moment.
If either of the big guns fail to run their race then I’m pretty sure Starluck will be there to take advantage. Love the way he travels in his races and with the ground being nowhere near as soft as his last race I’d give the horse a squeak.
Can still see Binocular bouncing back to form and winning, but really, really like Starluck a lot!
Does anyone have the record of 4 year olds in this race to hand?
Unlike some here, I think there may be a decent gallop in this race. Cape Tribulation always races keenly and I hope he is allowed to bowl along. Both to help the horse and also to make the race a better spectacle than the Fighting Fifth was.
I have gone back and looked at the Supreme from last year and Go Native travelled like a dream that day. The way he travelled into the lead off the home turn he should have won by 10 lengths. However he ended up scrambling home. But with no hill at Kempton he cant be underestimated. But at 7-4? Too short for me.
Binocular ran too bad to be true last time. So the question is, with nothing coming to light, was that a one off or not? Is the horse turning sour? Thats all the question marks I need to put me off at 5-4.
Its a good race but just cant see a bet in the race. Ideally either Binocular or Go Native would bomb completely and they would then be worth a punt come the Champion in March.
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Cape Tribulation is the only prominent runner in the field, but even over such an inadequate trip I can’t see him going off particularly quickly. If the pace is indeed sedate Binocular, Go Native, Starluck and Pepe Simo will all be travelling well turning in and the race will depend very much on a) the ground, and b) who quickens most effectively.
Binocular should reverse Fighting Fifth form with Go Native – the former was well below form, even allowing for the pedestrian nature of the first twelve furlongs – but on anything like good ground Starluck could just chin them both. Timmy Murphy is the ideal jockey for the horse and the current 6/1 is sufficient for me to take a chance.
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5/4 Binoc, 7/4 Go Native, 7/1 Starluck.
Never thougth I’d say this but I’m with Fist- Starluck looks a big price, especially as you are likely to be able to lay him shorter in-running.Well it is Xmas
Charges of treason have been dropped Fist! The problem with this race is there are 3 bridle horses who want to chase something,so there will be cat and mouse tactics employed,if its a true test there can only be one winner,Binocular!Unfortunately this race does not fall into a back/lay in-running proposition for me because bridle horses always trade short and there are 3 of them,i prefer to lay the bridle horse that i know find nothing,i will settle for a convincing Binocular performance!I can see the logic in backing Starluck at 6/1 because he will trade at Ev money coming to the last hard on the bridle,alongside Binocular and Go Native,who even if they are being ridden will find more than Starluck,so as Carv says press the lay button to cover your stake and hope he is the real deal!What a tricky little race this is becoming!No i am digressing.Binny is different class imo!
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Carv is a bit cuter than that mate. I’m pretty sure at some point on Betfair Starluck will hit as high as 8 with the main dual between the front 2. You stick 100 quid on that say.
Do that you don’t have to wait anywhere near the last. He will still be there cantering 3 out or I’m a Dutchman and he’ll hit 3 or less to lay by that time cos punters like pretty horses and his big white blaze makes him stand out and I doubt if AP will press go until after the 3rd last
…..get the calculator set up 8*100=800/3 =266 gives you 166 profit win or lose.I’ve been practicing hope I got that right. Not the race that’s the easy part the sums
Fist,if as you say,Starluck goes 8 to back in running and 3 to lay as they jump 3 out,because he is cantering,it will all depend how much you want to lay at that price,if we are talking £100 back at 8,then you need to lay £100 at 3 to cover your win stake,£800 profit becomes £500 if he wins or your stake returned if he loses,to have a win /win bet you would need to lay £200 at 3,that way if he wins you win £200,if he loses you win £100 and thats after 3 glasses of wine!!
Cape Tribulation of course could try and make it but I’m not sure he could go anywhere near fast enough anyway so we are possibly left with another muddling pace which on previous evidence should have suited Binocular but on Newcastle form apparently doesn’t now 
Binocular would need to win this well for me to re-enter the Champion picture as his Grade 1 record of 1(the novice at Aintree) from 4 is getting worrying. I could quite easily see either Go Native or Starluck giving him a race particularly if the ground doesn’t soften and if he gets beaten I think you can throw your ante post vouchers away. A watching with interest race for me.
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