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    The festival will take place one month after the new whip rules are introduced. Assuming there are no last minute amendments, these rules will prohibit the use of the whip in the forehand position (or at least ensure the jockey receives a lengthy suspension).

    Perhaps worth bearing in mind before tipping anything that needs strong handling.

    British based jockeys will at least have had a few weeks to adapt to the new rules. Irish jockeys will not have ridden under them at all.

    A market on how many whip bans will be issued during the festival might be quite lively.

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    As horses won’t actually be disqualified I think whip rules will be ignored and owners will covertly privately financially compensate jockeys who fall foul of them.

    Actually disqualifying horses and getting owners, trainers, stable staff and punters livid with the jockey is the only way to effect a culture change long-term.

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    One high profile disqualification is needed

    Then it shouldn’t happen again

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    What Ian and FF said- if disqualification was in the offing, I bet jockeys’ technique (and their ability to count) would be flawless even if it was day 1 of the new rules.

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    Disqualification on the day would be fairer. James Knight of Coral argues that punters would hate that, offering the case of Noble Yeats being disqualified in the National had these rules been in place. But to me it’s a breach of the rules, just as bumping and. boring is, and punters would take it on the chin.

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    Punters of the “winning” horse would hate it, but as it stands they will continue to prosper from the jockey cheating.

    Anyway, if it was enforced strictly and consistently, with full disqualification on the day, excessive use of the whip would end once and for all overnight as the penalties would finally wipe out all profits from the “crime.”

    Same deal in football, if referees collectively grew a pair, and consistently awarded a penalty every single time defenders grabbed hold of opposition players at corners, the practice would quickly end once and for all.

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    But surely it’s just a matter of backing with a bookie who pays first past the post ? , I believe Betfred do

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    Sporting Life quote…

    “Winners of races could be disqualified if their rider contravenes whip rules under the new regulations, although it has been agreed that to address concerns regarding the impact of potential disqualification of runners on raceday for betting purposes, any potential decisions regarding disqualification will now be made by the whip review committee away from raceday, and will therefore not affect the outcome of a race for betting purposes.”

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    So the winner wins breaking the rules but then loses it later …..what about the actual winning connections/trainer/owner …say it’s there first Cheltenham winner , they don’t get to celebrate it properly on the day ….it really needs to be done there and then …surely that’s what the stewards are for

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