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    phil walkerphil walker
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    Realise this is an oft-repeated topic, but on the day when its reported that Channel 4 are interested in bidding for next year’s Formula 1 motor racing championship, as well as broadcasting from the Paralympic Games, why can’t they spend a bit of money improving their racing coverage?

    The Morning Line is a disaster, I will never get used to Emma Spencer or Tom Lee, and John Francome sounds increasingly bored. Surely its time for a big reshuffle?

    #364572
    graysonscolumngraysonscolumn
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    For those who still love to watch racing on terrestrial, I think the concern should be less about Channel 4 brushing up their racing coverage at the same time as embracing Formula 1, and far more about them still covering racing to the same extent as now if they do win the rights to that sport.

    It’s presumably an absolute prerequisite of any successful bid for the Formua 1 nowadays that final qualifying is broadcast

    in full

    as well as the races themselves**. Maybe someone can confirm.

    If so, and with all final qualifying taking place on Saturdays and all races on Sunday, that’s going to eliminate any possibility of showing racing for a couple of two- to three-hour blocks on each day – longer still if weather or crashes prolong the action – if the Grand Prix is in the same or nearly the same time-zone (less of a concern for those in the Americas and Australia, of course).

    No amount of buffing up

    Channel 4 Racing

    overall is going to count for that much if the show suddenly finds itself reduced to, say, 38 weekends’ worth of output per annum. Whatever complaints there may have been about the packjammed Saturday of racing we’ve just had, consider that less, if any, of it would have got a sniff of coverage had Channel 4’s main priority that afternoon been the qualifying at Silverstone.

    gc

    (** The racing was, of course, incorporated successfully around Test Match cricket coverage when Channel 4 had the rights to that as well. But that was up to 12 years ago (from 1999 onwards), a different sport, and likely subject to a different set of minimum broadcast requirements, so the comparison is inexact.

    Moreover, there was probably more of a will on all sides to see the two sports coexist happily on the same afternoon’s broadcasting back then, as evidenced by the tipping interjections of both Mike Atherton (still a spokesperson for the Racegoers Club the last I checked) and Richie Benaud).

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    #364582
    stilvi
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    Given that I would sooner watch televised dominoes than Formula 1 I don’t know anything about this story but I suspect if Channel 4 secured the deal it wouldn’t have a budget left to cover anything like 30 weekends racing a year.

    #364586
    graysonscolumngraysonscolumn
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    With F1 costing the BBC £60million per annum according to last weekend’s

    Sunday Times

    -quoted figures, that concern about what’s left to pay for racing coverage could be spot on, Stilvi.

    I’d imagine the FIA (or whosoever) will be looking for that sort of figure once again, even allowing for the fact that the BBC stumped up £50million more overall than ITV had to cover the sport for a similar length of time despite there being no other bidders!

    What Bernie and company can get, they’ll hold out for.

    gc

    The patron saint of lower-grade fare. A gently critical friend of point-to-pointing. Kindness is a political act.

    #364588
    apracing
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    This is surely a spoof for two reasons:

    1 – C4 don’t have any money, let alone enough to bid for Formula 1. Put Channel 4 funding into Google and it offers up options like ‘crisis’ ‘cutback’ etc.

    2 – There is zero chance of Ecclestone or Todt allowing a channel with such a low average audience to get hold of their rights in a major market for motor racing.

    AP

    #364589
    phil walkerphil walker
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    This is surely a spoof for two reasons:

    1 – C4 don’t have any money, let alone enough to bid for Formula 1. Put Channel 4 funding into Google and it offers up options like ‘crisis’ ‘cutback’ etc. AP

    I had exactly the same thoughts AP, I seriously cannot believe Channel 4 would even dream of bidding for the rights to Formula 1 with their present financial difficulties, even if they stopped doing any racing

    #364721
    Gamekeeper’s Lad
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    I think Dirty Des at C5 will be more likely to go for F1, I don’t think C4 do a bad job with racing, it’s pretty fast moving but i prefer it that way. I think if the BBC ever got hold of Cheltenham again, C4 would jack it in all together

    #364883
    clivexx
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    Agree that its impossible to see how skint C4 could bid for this heap of rubbish

    It was a disgrace that the BBC wasted millions of taxpayers money on something which labels itself a sport but is nothing but a load of trashy fake glamour noise for slack jawed billynomates who find football too complicated

    ever noticed how F1 followers (such as ive met) rarely like other sports and vice versa?

    #364888
    thehorsesmouththehorsesmouth
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    Anyone else find Formula 1 kind of hypnotic?

    I flick over and think "Oh great, F1", then 20 something laps later I’m still sitting there absolutely mesmerized. :?

    #364923
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    ever noticed how F1 followers (such as ive met) rarely like other sports and vice versa?

    You haven’t met me,

    clivexx

    !

    Pinza

    is an avid, obsessive follower of both.

    Those of you describing F1 as

    hypnotic

    or anaesthetic clearly have

    not

    been tuning in this year. The new regulations have produced more than a pass a minute, and with tyre changes and rapidly changing running order at pit stops,

    Martin Brundle

    and

    David Coulthard

    need all their wits to keep up with the excitement and the chess game going on out there.

    I have to say that

    Jensen Button

    ‘s victory in Montreal a few weeks ago was the most thrilling come-from-the-back win since

    Bonanza Boy

    under Scudamore at Sandown!

    Beyond that, I fully agree with the sound reasons given by

    AP

    and

    Phil Walker

    as to why there isn’t a Feline in Hades’s chance that C4 will get near Formula 1. There’s a strong possibility that there will be no terrestrial coverage of F1 at all if BBC pull out.

    Meanwhile, be grateful for what C4 are doing for horse racing. Because this level of coverage will not last for ever.

    [Mind you, maybe I’m in need of help. Consequent on a brief lull in paid employment I’ve found myself completely hooked on the

    Tour de France

    . The Eurosport commentary team knocks Test Match Special into a cocked hat, and the scenery is lovely.]

    #364924
    DroneDrone
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    Do you bet on F1 Pinza? Sometime TRF correspondent Grasshopper swore it was the proverbial ‘licence to print money’

    I’ve no interest myself but watched bits and pieces of the British GP, in between servings of the 3-course leppers summer feast last Sunday, and have to say I hadn’t a clue a) was happening on the track, and b) what the commentators were banging on about.

    This was not a problem at all as personally I find perplexion stimulates interest, which is more-or-less the reason I delved deep into horse racing all those years ago. So I can quite understand the fascination with F1

    The following of sports is not generally considered to be an intellectual pursuit but it most certainly can be for those prepared to loosen the nuts and bolts; and the more complex and seemingly ‘alien’ the sport the better.

    So horse racing – and it seems motor racing too – take a bow

    Fear not ‘inaccessibility’ Joe and Jo

    #364925
    ajiaji
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    [quote="clivexx" nothing but a load of trashy fake glamour noise for slack jawed billynomates who find football too complicated

    Not clear whether you watch it Clive? :D

    Seriously, even if C4 have the money to bid for F1 I can’t see them getting it. C4=minority viewing=dip in sposorship.

    #364934
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    Do you bet on F1 Pinza? Sometime TRF correspondent Grasshopper swore it was the proverbial ‘licence to print money’

    For the informed it certainly is. The bookmakers turn in a huge profit on F1 (as with football) because of the sentimental hopefulness of the British Public, prepared to wager fortunes on England winning the World Cup, or Hamilton winning each and every Grand Prix when he doesn’t have the car to do it.

    You generally get Value on Vettel, for sure!

    The following of sports is not generally considered to be an intellectual pursuit but it most certainly can be for those prepared to loosen the nuts and bolts; and the more complex and seemingly ‘alien’ the sport the better.

    So horse racing – and it seems motor racing too – take a bow

    Fear not ‘inaccessibility’ Joe and Jo

    F1 has the same tactical element as racing. The older drivers get, the more tactically savvy they become – that’s why supreme thinking drivers such as Alonso and Button, for example, can beat the pure speed merchants in the faster cars on occasion.

    It relies on "personalities" more than Racing, where the horses – please note RfC – are the stars to be marketed, not the jockeys or trainers. But the chess game and poker analogies hold for both, and both are utterly fascinating once you become absorbed.

    Very like this funny old

    Tour de France

    in fact, so back to seeing what Mark Cavendish is up to….

    #365003
    moehat
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    It was dire having F1 on ITV with commercial breaks..if they have as many of them on Ch4 when the races are on it will just be a joke.

    #366338
    apracing
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    Just been reported that F1 will be shared by Sky and BBC with a contract running until 2018. BBC will show some races live that will also be on Sky in parallel and offer highlights for the remaining races.

    Sky will show all races, all qualifying and all practice sessions and promise more dedicated coverage than ever before. Of course they will also be interrupting the races with 6 ad breaks, so not that dedicated!

    AP

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