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This morning Rishi Persad announce that after "extensive research" they were able to advise viewers that Kim Bailey is one of only five trainers to train the winners of the Gold Gup, Champion Hurdle and Grand National.
Sorry Channel 4 but by my calculations at least 11 trainers have achieved that feat:
Paul Nicholls
Kim Bailey
Toby Balding
Fred Winter
Fulke Walwyn
Fred Rimell
Ryan Price
Vincent O’Brien
Ivor Anthony
Basil Briscoe
Owen AnthonyYet another example of how Channel 4 standards have dropped.
Sounds like standards are exactly the same as before really. Francome alone was culpable for a handful of blunders per show in the old days.
I imagine that the research would more likely have been performed by the programme’s production team, rather than the presenters themselves.
There are far worse repeat offenders where bad or lazy research is concerned. Anyone else notice the corker in Racing Plus last month, in which one of their lead feature writers claimed that the Tolworth Hurdle was first run in 1988?
1988 is the furthest back that results for the Tolworth are listed on Wikipedia.
1988 is coincidentally the furthest back that results for the Tolworth are included in the Racing Post results database.
My copies of Chaseform dating back to the early 1980s include renewals of the Tolworth.
Really, really poor show by whichever hapless-but-cheap Press Association or Triform employee was responsible. Mind, referring to Irving’s Elite Hurdle fall as “a last-fence fall at Wetherby” a few weeks before that was probably worse still (and certainly more conspicuous, having been splashed on the front cover)!
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Of the many things there are to pick fault with on CH4 Racing the current issue for me is having the bookie Geoff Banks on the panel. He hasn’t said anything insightful or of interest in the appearances I have seen and resembles a Benidorm DJ from the 1980’s.
They were referring to trainers currently training so in saying just Kim Bailey and Paul Nicholls they were correct.
They were referring to trainers currently training so in saying just Kim Bailey and Paul Nicholls they were correct.
It can’t have been five though, if the above list is correct. Surely it’s either two current trainers or if they are talking about all-time the figure of five is incorrect.
As an aside, did any see/hear Simon Holt getting all excited about Dresden last Saturday? The 5/2 favourite had barely crossed the line before he started waxing on about the horse’s chance in a handicap at Cheltenham. A state of semi-erection was probably reached, before common sense kicked in and both he, and the trainer opined that the horse hadn’t got a cat in hell’s chance of getting in at Cheltenham, with his previous handicap mark having been 130.
That’s surely an example where the team should be researching more extensively before uttering verbal dihoariahihey
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
To be fair Steve – Simon Holt is usually fairly word-perfect so can surely be forgiven that very minor lapse (which he quickly corrected)
It was an impressive run, and it’s become automatic after every single bloody race at the moment for the presenters to instantly assume the winner and all connections will be heading for Cheltenham at an enthusiastic canter.
I’m getting sick of it.I'd like to live in a place where they cordon off swans...To be fair Steve – Simon Holt is usually fairly word-perfect so can surely be forgiven that very minor lapse (which he quickly corrected)
If it were a one off I’d agree 100% with you but it’s far from it.
Recent examples include Coneygree, who is now in a state of limbo between Gold Cup and RSA that will last until the final second possible before connections make the call about where he’s headed.
Beltor was a horse his trainer said wouldn’t go to Cheltenham because it was unlikely the track will play to his strengths. Now he is going against his own reasoning and running the horse at a venue that some have agreed is going to make him less effective.
You wonder how much the trainers are getting caught up in the hype generated by the media in this seemingly obsessive need to see everything that wins by a few lengths as the next rising star due to lift a major pot at the festival.
The horses can be praised for a good win and feet kept on the ground at the same time.
Take another Valium Simon and as the Scouse characters in Harry Enfield used to say:-
“Ay, ay, aaright….Caaaaaalm Down, Caaaaaalm Down”
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
To be fair Steve – Simon Holt is usually fairly word-perfect so can surely be forgiven that very minor lapse (which he quickly corrected)
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>DiamondGeezer wrote:</div>
They were referring to trainers currently training so in saying just Kim Bailey and Paul Nicholls they were correct.It can’t have been five though, if the above list is correct. Surely it’s either two current trainers or if they are talking about all-time the figure of five is incorrect.
As an aside, did any see/hear Simon Holt getting all excited about Dresden last Saturday? The 5/2 favourite had barely crossed the line before he started waxing on about the horse’s chance in a handicap at Cheltenham. A state of semi-erection was probably reached, before common sense kicked in and both he, and the trainer opined that the horse hadn’t got a cat in hell’s chance of getting in at Cheltenham, with his previous handicap mark having been 130.
That’s surely an example where the team should be researching more extensively before uttering verbal dihoariahihey
Except it was Richard Hoiles calling them on Ch4 at Donny last Saturday.
Rishi Persad must know some one in high places. He is a truly terrible racing presenter and knows nothing. Bring back Mike Cattermole, John Francombe and Alistair Down.
I don’t think he’s terrible at all. He’s very affable and confident, perfect for the main presenting role. He doesn’t need to be an expert, and I’m sure he isn’t. The panel are supposed to be the experts.
I'd like to live in a place where they cordon off swans...<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>admin wrote:</div>
To be fair Steve – Simon Holt is usually fairly word-perfect so can surely be forgiven that very minor lapse (which he quickly corrected)<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>stevecaution wrote:</div>
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>DiamondGeezer wrote:</div>
They were referring to trainers currently training so in saying just Kim Bailey and Paul Nicholls they were correct.It can’t have been five though, if the above list is correct. Surely it’s either two current trainers or if they are talking about all-time the figure of five is incorrect.
As an aside, did any see/hear Simon Holt getting all excited about Dresden last Saturday? The 5/2 favourite had barely crossed the line before he started waxing on about the horse’s chance in a handicap at Cheltenham. A state of semi-erection was probably reached, before common sense kicked in and both he, and the trainer opined that the horse hadn’t got a cat in hell’s chance of getting in at Cheltenham, with his previous handicap mark having been 130.
That’s surely an example where the team should be researching more extensively before uttering verbal dihoariahihey
Except it was Richard Hoiles calling them on Ch4 at Donny last Saturday.
Apologies if it was Hoiles at fault there. I may have been watching it on an internet stream, I think it was a legal one, well, it was either “A legal” or “Illegal” but it sounded like “A legal” to my ears so I kept watching. I honestly thought it was Simon Holt and Cormack leapt in to defend him, so he should know better than me, having a musician’s ear, unlike me who is deaf in one ear and blind in the other. Still even admin can be wrong “Once in a Blue Moon”
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
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