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    It’s a long way off but I think it’s worth getting involved early.

    This is traditionally the best chance for overseas raiders and we have a prime candidate who was runner up last year.

    Flintshire found only ex UK trained Main Sequence too good last time and the horse who was runner up in Camelot’s Derby had really blossomed for being in the USA. Looking back through previous winners the race is littered with names we all know in the UK and I believe another one will be there with Flintshire this season.

    Flintshire recently ran at Saratoga and netted a big prize in the Sword Dancer, where he travelled like a winner all the way and scored with ease. The biggest danger that night seemed to be the hedge that lined the track, as the jockey held Flintshire as tight to it as he dared.

    If we get involved now at the 3/1 available, we hopefully won’t need to hedge our bets later. Flintshire seems sure to get his ground and he has won and run well in the States, so what’s not to like?

    The sparse early market sees only three horses quoted and Imagining is 16/1 next best. He was tanked 23l by Flintshire in the Sword Dancer so Andre Fabre is hardly likely to drop to his knees worrying about that. Of course other horses may yet emerge but I doubt that Golden Horn will appear and there’s very few horses around that you would be that worried about anyway when you get right down to it.

    Money lying in the street maybe?

    Breeders Cup Turf Flintshire 3/1

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    A few more options on oddschecker now with both The Grey Gatsby and Free Eagle in at 8’s.
    The thing with Flintshire is that he barring injury will be a runner, have the two committed to it?

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    A few more options on oddschecker now with both The Grey Gatsby and Free Eagle in at 8’s.
    The thing with Flintshire is that he barring injury will be a runner, have the two committed to it?

    The trouble with The Grey Gatsby is that he doesn’t win very often and doesn’t present anything like the qualifications for the USA that Flintshire does. Free Eagle just doesn’t race very often full stop and there have to be questions about how often he will ever see a racecourse?

    I find it hard to see a big field for this and Flintshire just covers so many of the requirements.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    That’s Eagle Top in at 8’s.

    That price you got on Flintshire last time was amazing, 2/1 I think. I’m not sure 3/1 right now for this race is big enough for me to be interested. That line up will change for sure.

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    Yes, Eagle Top, sorry I knew the one but wrote the other…….. :wacko:

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    Yes, Eagle Top, sorry I knew the one but wrote the other…….. :wacko:

    I’m not keen on Eagle Top for this either Nathan. I’m not sure if he is a certain runner and I have doubts if it will be his cup of tea either. Mainly though, he’s just a horse that hasn’t done enough winning for my mind and he is coming out of a King George that hasn’t been working out at all well. Romsdal, Madame Chiang and Clever Cookie all stank the place out on their next starts, two of them as favourites. I don’t think he makes anything like the appeal of Flintshire.

    Talking of the King George form, the winner, Postponed, is a warm favourite at 6/5 for the Prix Foy on Sunday, when we see the Arc trials take place. It will be interesting to see how it goes. Dolniya is the clear second favourite there.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Flintshire looks nailed on here, conditions in his favour no real challenge from US and assuming that he serves a run in the Arc (can’t see the ground being in his favour plus he always finds one or two too good for him at the very top level) he will go into the BC Turf as a much fresher horse. For his consistency, he deserves a big G1 win and this is his best chance.

    Postponed could have his own Arc in the Prix Foy as I can’t see him getting in the shake up in the big one itself – no matter what spin you put on it, this years KG must go down as one of (if not) the worst in living memory. To my mind he is at best a G2 horse who the fates were shining down on kindly back in July and I would be stunned if he was able to get in the first 5 or 6 if everybody turns up on Arc day.

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    To those convinced that the ground will be in Flintshire’s favour, consider that October in Kentucky has the potential to be considerably wetter than it would be in California.

    By far the most likely winner but favourable conditions are no gimme this year.

    Lee

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    To those convinced that the ground will be in Flintshire’s favour, consider that October in Kentucky has the potential to be considerably wetter than it would be in California.

    By far the most likely winner but favourable conditions are no gimme this year.

    Lee

    The ground could go against him but it might end up a weak looking race and now that Paddy Power went 4/1 it seemed too tempting a price.

    Eagle Top may run in the Doonside Cup at Ayr and that seems a million miles from the Breeders Cup Turf.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Agree that 4/1 is very big Steve.

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    Well I doubt Andre Fabre watched Eagle Top get pumped at Newbury at 8/11f and dropped to his knees worrying about him taking Flintshire on. He’s becoming a disappointing sort and not one for me now.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Golden Horn increasingly likely to go for this now and is 4/5 best anywhere else, although Racebets are a standout 2/1.

    Flintshire next best in the market so anybody with a 4/1 voucher looks sure to beat SP whether the Arc winner turns up or not and if he doesn’t then you’d expect Flintshire to be shade of odds on himself.

    I’d be surprised if Golden Horn didn’t take it in though as connections’ comments in today’s RP sound positive and the alternative (the Irish Champion) must stand a good chance of being run on soft ground.

    Lee

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    It would depend on how he’d take the trip over and those tight bends.

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    Gosden went over to walk the course and was really impressed, saying it was a significant improvement over SA.

    Agree about the travelling over (slightly shorter trip this year though) but the same would surely be more applicable to Flintshire as regardless of how well he handled it last year, at that point his season had involved one run in England and three in France. Whereas since then he’s been to Hong Kong, Dubai and back to the states and has pretty much been on the go all year.

    I’m not saying he can’t win – and I think he will if Golden Horn doesn’t turn up – but if he is there I can’t see how the form will be reversed.

    Lee

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