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Fair play Gun Runner….won that with a fair bit in hand. I was fairly confident that Arrogate was going to run a good race but as soon as he broke left it all fell apart.
Its so strange because as I said before, what I witnessed in Dubai was something abnormal but this looks a completely different horse. Even in all his prework he looked a million dollars. Such a shame for the sport but hopefully now he sires fellow champions.
Well done to those on winning tickets. I personally am happy to see the end of Del Mar….roll on BC 2018.
You could argue that Degaussed but I wouldn’t agree with it. Churchill hasn’t really disgraced himself at all this year. He wasn’t a million miles away at Royal Ascot when below form and was only downed by Ulysses at York before a troubled passage at Leopardstown and a very fair showing in the QE2. Forgive him today as it was on dirt and I wish him a sound and lengthy second career. As for Arrogate you could argue that if Baffert knew the horse didn’t come back the same from Dubai he should have told the owners to pull up stumps but I am in no position to know what goes on inside that stable.
You could argue that Degaussed but I wouldn’t agree with it. Churchill hasn’t really disgraced himself at all this year. He wasn’t a million miles away at Royal Ascot when below form and was only downed by Ulysses at York before a troubled passage at Leopardstown and a very fair showing in the QE2. Forgive him today as it was on dirt and I wish him a sound and lengthy second career. As for Arrogate you could argue that if Baffert knew the horse didn’t come back the same from Dubai he should have told the owners to pull up stumps but I am in no position to know what goes on inside that stable.
I dont know what to make of Arrogate to be honest. His last run, where he ran down Collected, wasnt all that bad, whereas today and the Pacific he didnt want to know. From a friend in the US, who I met in Dubai, his morning work over the last two weeks had been scintillating. Its no doubt one we will never get to the bottom of.
As I said before, well played Gun Runner backers. He won very nicely.
Lady A beaten.
Most of the sprinters didn’t handle the ridiculously tight bend. They are going far too fast over 5f to have to turn that sharply.
Disgrace that the event is being held here in my view.
I have no confidence in any of my bets now. None at all. It’ll be outsiders that have good rides and lots of luck that win here – not the best horses as it should be.
Good luck all – you’ll need it
Negativity. The best horse on the day, on the specific course always wins. Excuses.
The best horse always wins? That’s utter nonsense
Lady A beaten.
Most of the sprinters didn’t handle the ridiculously tight bend. They are going far too fast over 5f to have to turn that sharply.
Disgrace that the event is being held here in my view.
I have no confidence in any of my bets now. None at all. It’ll be outsiders that have good rides and lots of luck that win here – not the best horses as it should be.
Good luck all – you’ll need it
Negativity. The best horse on the day, on the specific course always wins. Excuses.
The best horse always wins? That’s utter nonsense
The best horse on the day and on the course is what I say. Sorry if you think only some horses are the right winners, even if the others outrun them.
Best Wishes
SilkLady A beaten.
Most of the sprinters didn’t handle the ridiculously tight bend. They are going far too fast over 5f to have to turn that sharply.
Disgrace that the event is being held here in my view.
I have no confidence in any of my bets now. None at all. It’ll be outsiders that have good rides and lots of luck that win here – not the best horses as it should be.
Good luck all – you’ll need it
Negativity. The best horse on the day, on the specific course always wins. Excuses.
The best horse always wins? That’s utter nonsense
The best horse on the day and on the course is what I say. Sorry if you think only some horses are the right winners, even if the others outrun them.
By that logic, Septembers narrow defeat to Lauren’s in the Fillies Mile, you’re saying Lauren’s was the better horse on the day?
Ha
Just a few angle questions now that the ‘World Championships’ have been run:
Who thinks Wuheida is a better filly than Rhododendron?
Who thinks Stormy Liberal is a better horse than Lady Aurelia and Marsha?
Who thinks U S Navy Flag was only the 10th best horse in the Juvenile?
Who thinks World Approval and Lancaster Bomber are better horses than Ribchester?
Who thinks Talismanic and Beach Patrol are better than Highland Reel?
And who thinks Gunevera (only a Grade 2 victory to his name) is a 12 length better horse than Churchill?Surely the ‘World Championships’ tell us the answer to all is yes?
Just a few angle questions now that the ‘World Championships’ have been run:
Who thinks Wuheida is a better filly than Rhododendron?
Who thinks Stormy Liberal is a better horse than Lady Aurelia and Marsha?
Who thinks U S Navy Flag was only the 10th best horse in the Juvenile?
Who thinks World Approval and Lancaster Bomber are better horses than Ribchester?
Who thinks Talismanic and Beach Patrol are better than Highland Reel?
And who thinks Gunevera (only a Grade 2 victory to his name) is a 12 length better horse than Churchill?Surely the ‘World Championships’ tell us the answer to all is yes?
Del Mar should never be allowed to host such an event again
It’s like the Guineas, the Derby, the Oaks and the Arc being held at Chester!
Just a few angle questions now that the ‘World Championships’ have been run:
Who thinks Wuheida is a better filly than Rhododendron?
Who thinks Stormy Liberal is a better horse than Lady Aurelia and Marsha?
Who thinks U S Navy Flag was only the 10th best horse in the Juvenile?
Who thinks World Approval and Lancaster Bomber are better horses than Ribchester?
Who thinks Talismanic and Beach Patrol are better than Highland Reel?
And who thinks Gunevera (only a Grade 2 victory to his name) is a 12 length better horse than Churchill?Surely the ‘World Championships’ tell us the answer to all is yes?
Well your post isnt entirely straight forward as you make it seem, on the day highland reel didnt have an excuse and was beaten fairly? Did the track do him? No
Is wuheida better than rhododendron, probably not but it was likely the distance that found rhododendron out not the track
Shock sprint results pop up everywhere, no matter the track, lady a had 0 excuses and was beaten fair on the day, marsha maybe a tad unlucky but confirned form with lady a, so is stormy liberal better on american fast ground round a tight track – probably
Is world approval better than ribchester? Possibly…. the 13 day turnaround after a slog on dead ground and being shipped to del mar is likely why he didnt fire, but world approval won that like an improving horse- no excuse, wasnt the track
Gunnevera is 100% definitely a 12 length better horse on dirt than churchill, again wasnt the track, was the decision to take a pop at the classic
Theirs a legitimate reason why most of these horses got beaten, its not as simple as saying “the track” their would have been similar results had it been at santa anita, your arguement is summarising Official ratings/european form against performance on the day on foreign ground against horses suited better by the conditions
Its not always whos the best horse who wins the race and that applies worldwide around every course, not just del mar
Absolutely nothing wrong with it being staged at del mar, there was a few hard luck stories but again buick losing his irons wasnt del mars fault nor was it buicks
Is here comes when a better horse than ribchester? Did they run at del mar? Why should goodwood be allowed to host such a prestigious race.
That’s a quality post Ham. I enjoyed reading that. I do disagree that the distance cost Rhododendron as she was an unlucky 2nd to Winter in the 2000 Guineas over a mile and has bundles of speed.
I sort of agree with what you’ve said though, but I presume from it that you’d agree with me that it wasn’t a ‘World Championships’ (as it is styled as) if we’re left having to have these discussions.
Just a few angle questions now that the ‘World Championships’ have been run:
Who thinks Wuheida is a better filly than Rhododendron?
Who thinks Stormy Liberal is a better horse than Lady Aurelia and Marsha?
Who thinks U S Navy Flag was only the 10th best horse in the Juvenile?
Who thinks World Approval and Lancaster Bomber are better horses than Ribchester?
Who thinks Talismanic and Beach Patrol are better than Highland Reel?
And who thinks Gunevera (only a Grade 2 victory to his name) is a 12 length better horse than Churchill?Surely the ‘World Championships’ tell us the answer to all is yes?
Well your post isnt entirely straight forward as you make it seem, on the day highland reel didnt have an excuse and was beaten fairly? Did the track do him? No
Is wuheida better than rhododendron, probably not but it was likely the distance that found rhododendron out not the track
Shock sprint results pop up everywhere, no matter the track, lady a had 0 excuses and was beaten fair on the day, marsha maybe a tad unlucky but confirned form with lady a, so is stormy liberal better on american fast ground round a tight track – probably
Is world approval better than ribchester? Possibly…. the 13 day turnaround after a slog on dead ground and being shipped to del mar is likely why he didnt fire, but world approval won that like an improving horse- no excuse, wasnt the track
Gunnevera is 100% definitely a 12 length better horse on dirt than churchill, again wasnt the track, was the decision to take a pop at the classic
Theirs a legitimate reason why most of these horses got beaten, its not as simple as saying “the track” their would have been similar results had it been at santa anita, your arguement is summarising Official ratings/european form against performance on the day on foreign ground against horses suited better by the conditions
Its not always whos the best horse who wins the race and that applies worldwide around every course, not just del mar
Absolutely nothing wrong with it being staged at del mar, there was a few hard luck stories but again buick losing his irons wasnt del mars fault nor was it buicks
Is here comes when a better horse than ribchester? Did they run at del mar? Why should goodwood be allowed to host such a prestigious race.
‘Absolutely nothing wrong with it being staged at Del Mar’
I, and a huge percentage of punters I believe, would disagree hugely with that.
I’ve never regarded the Breeders Cup as anything more than an add-on to the flat season, albeit a fascinating one. I rarely bet much on it as there are just too many unknown factors (long season of hard races, travelling, jockeys you’ve never heard of etc) and a “quirky” course is just one more. I’ve certainly never considered it a “World Championship”. If it truly was, it would be held alternately in Europe & America (at the minimum).
That’s a quality post Ham. I enjoyed reading that. I do disagree that the distance cost Rhododendron as she was an unlucky 2nd to Winter in the 2000 Guineas over a mile and has bundles of speed.
I sort of agree with what you’ve said though, but I presume from it that you’d agree with me that it wasn’t a ‘World Championships’ (as it is styled as) if we’re left having to have these discussions.
Definitely isnt a “world championships” of the flat season, just attracts attention because the prize money,but i suppose thats just opinions though,we would say one thing they would say another, certainly isnt the spectacle that royal ascot is anyway..
And MOM,watching all of the coverage etc i didnt see too many complaints? I certaintly didnt have many anyway, its not a meeting i go crazy on as its always thrown up crazy results no matter where it was staged, was their any accidents on the “bad” bends? Luke morris and a few others said the tight bends where being overplayed…. american racing always seems to be about getting out the gates quickly, they for whatever reason have an obsession over early speed and thats what seems to cause most of the traffic jams, not the track, i dont really rate any of the american jockeys either id much rather have our own (im sure they say the same about ours) seems that as soon as a horse comes out of the stalls poorly they almost just leave the horse tailed off for a late run rather than try and weave through like moore did on D.O.P.
Just opinions MOM, you may be right they may never stage it again…
Ribchester, Rhododendron, Ulysses, US Navy Flag, Roly Poly, Marsha….
They have given their all through a gruelling flat season in Europe it’s no wonder they all ran below par over the weekend, they’re probably putting their best efforts into growing their winter coats for the cold winter to come.
For me it was a disappointing Breeders Cup, not betting wise, as I only had one bet on Roly Poly, but because of the failure of our best horses especially September, so unlucky in missing the break in her race she would have beaten them all home, she’s another who seems to have been on the go all season, and….
Ribchester had nothing to prove, Richard Fahey should never have let him take part and risk possible injury after he had just run a hard race just two weeks ago, the first time he had ever been out of the money he should have just been retired to stud without this on his CV.Some stellar performances throughout the meeting and top American stars Lady Aurelia and Arrogate also shocked us in their defeat,but after all that if I could be granted one wish I would love to see those races run again on a track like Ascot or Newmarket.
JacThings turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Bob Baffert and Steve Asmussen have plenty of form for positive swabs, no wonder they are hard to beat there. They live in their small world of arrogance, i think it was Tod Pletcher who tweeted that he was the best trainer in the world and Bob Baffert scolded him and tweeted that he was the best trainer in the world..A ‘ world series’ mentality. No boys neither of you is near the best, other trainers around the world are not allowed to give a horse help or are protected by certain racing clubs!
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