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Blair’s legacy is that he is a war criminal that won’t get prosecuted due to lack of interest and protocol.
Whereas Lionel has given us a lifetime’s worth of inventive charades, he can dance a bit and he stopped some bloke from killing himself. No contest.
He said he had become a "different type of politician" during his 10 years in Downing Street.
And that type is called "war monger".
His legacy is 650,000 Iraqi dead and counting plus millions more displaced.
And you can add to that that he’s made the country even more cynical about politicians and the political system.
So, he can say that his "legacy will last", but the other way of putting it is that "we’ll continue to pay the price of his abuse of power for generations".
He’s a ****
of the highest order and I hope he dies a horrible and slow death.Steve
I’m with you Steve.<br> Pensions, Foreign Policy, Devolution, House of Lords changes, EU rebate, Foot & Mouth debacle, Crime, NHS wastage & cutbacks, MRSA, Immigration, Taxation, HIP’s, cash for peerages, etc.etc. Everything this government touches they screw up. And not an ounce of integrity amongst any of the cabinet.<br>
According to his latest perverse logic the deaths and the 2M refugees caused by this war are nothing to do with him .. its all down to extreme elements within Iraq.
Typical childish religious zealot.
I’m so sad, cos I wish he had done it 10 years ago!
The worst ever PM in my opinion.
He has single handedly put this country into terminal decline.
And to rub salt into the wound he wants to be the Middle East peace specialist.
Nobody in the middle east likes him either!
Still. It will make him feel at home.
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The high unemployment, high inflation, high interest rates, and soaring crime levels are very hard to stomach.
Have we ever had it so bad?
I think NV is being sarcastic. Lower unemployment than 1997, lower interest rates, lower inflation and locking up twice as many people as the Tories locked up in 1994, some of toughest immigration laws in Europe – surely TB was the Daily Mail’s wet dream? It’s not his fault that everyone wants to come and live here (or is it?) and that the general public are a bunch of ill-educated, violent, alcoholics he’s only been in power 10 years.<br> That said I despise the fella for leading us into the war in Iraq on the basis of a lie then acting all surprised when the reasons he took us into the war turned out to be false.
higher unemployment actually – and continuing decline in education standards, healthcare, increased crime – not enough people locked up – a horribly crumbling fabric of society morally with a removal of individual responsibility and to top it off, the introduction of laws worthy of the third reich such as the removal of one’s basic intrinsic right to have a smoke with a pint at the end of the day, just to appease the overweight, work-shy, tree-hugging, dole and invalidity sponging and loony-left liberals
apart from that he’s done well – 10 years at the top and going on his own terms, not booted out
Interesting watching (and listening) to the press coverage today. The "news" programmes were 90% the press interviewing each other all picking over the bones one last time and spouting their unelected opinions rather than reporting real news.
Actually the news is always like that nowadays. I get irritated listening to Nick Robinson or any other pundit "standing outside some buildingâ€ÂÂ
I think he did well. In a world that is in terminal decline, he’s kept this country’s head above the water. IMO the only area he was poor on was foreign affairs. Not tough enough with the EU (although tougher than many a Labour PM would have been) and the blind loyalty he showed in going into Iraq has raised more concerns than it could ever have been worth.
I think there will be some ‘interesting’ times ahead with Gordon Brown.
I don’t think you can get around the fact that 600,000 Iraqis are dead and 2.5million of them are now refugees due to Blair’s decision to invade a country on the back of a load of lies. Anyone who thinks that someone who is responsible for destroying 3 million people’s lives is okay really needs to take a good look at themselves, IMO.
Unemployment only 1.7million NV .. quite good if it’s not you with no job, innit !!
I’d not argue that Iraq was a shocking decision – what is the point of going into conflict when you have absolutely no idea of what ‘victory’ might look like and therefore absolutely no chance of actually ‘winning’.
Also, on a personal level, Blair was not really a favourite of mine.
DJ – a certain level of unemployment (probably about 1.2 million for the UK) is inevitable. We are not in Thatcher territory here though…
But there is a need for a reality check sometimes. Some people will always find something to moan about…
Sberry – You’ll find that more overweight, work-shy, dole and invalidity sponging people smoke than anyone else percentage-wise, banning smoking in public might give them a better chance of giving up and give their kids a healthier start in life rather than the one they get at the moment which starts off badly from the womb onwards. <br> You point correctly to the continued decline in education and healthcare, that’s due to 18 years of Tory damage and neglect if Labour have failed on anything other than Iraq it’s their failure to reverse this decline, but it’s hardly their fault the country was inherited in such a parlous state and it’s certainly not a reason to elect another Tory government.<br>As for the smoking ban being akin to the policies of the Third Reich that doesn’t even deserve an reply.<br>Supposedly Gordo has some vote winning tricks up his sleeve, we shall see – Patsy Hewitt jumping before she is pushed is a good start. He needs to pull something major out of the bag.
The point I made was
"Iraq will be his legacy but I do not think any PM Labour or Tory would have made a different decision about going to war with the US".
As such I think that when the US decided to invade Iraq then we were doomed to follow. To blame Blair just seems simplistic and irrational to me.
I do not know of a war that anyone has really an idea of what "victory" is. Think Falklands, Bosnia, WW1 & WW2 etc. We are still dealing with the aftermaths.
As for personal responsibility it is not the British or US that are indiscriminately killing Iraqis by the score through suicide bombs and murder squads. The British & US troops are trying to keep a peace and get out ASAP. <br>
Quote: from dave jay on 8:31 am on June 28, 2007[br]I don’t think you can get around the fact that 600,000 Iraqis are dead and 2.5million of them are now refugees due to Blair’s decision to invade a country on the back of a load of lies.
It wasn’t Blair’s decision to ruin all those lives, but his failure was in being a part of it. It’s really an American problem that Blair let us get roped into. In the first Gulf War, exactly the same happened, but we buggered off before completely erradicating the problem, and as a rsult the lives of millions of Iraqi’s were ruined, this time by the continuing tyrrany of Saddam Hussein. The only difference is of course that ‘our boys’ weren’t there, so we didn’t really give a toss.
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