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PS. To those Aussies who point out the lack of UK winners in OZ, they don’t mention Dermot Weld do they? And yes, I do know he’s Irish but you get my point.
Himself, you just cant help yourself can you. You always hint about the lack of stamina not only from aussie horses but the people as well ‘if he dares bring her over’ why wouldn’t he,she is too good for your sprinters. You, like ugly mare are a joke! A horse wins 19 straight, 9 Group 1’s and 7 Group 2’s and you pair of twits still find fault or give back handed compliments.Did you say the same about So You Think? I bet you did. And thats right CS Weld is Irish,and it is almost exclusively the English who constantly go on about the class difference,or say what a flat,lush green,even,easy surface to perform on. Weld and the French Trainers learned from the locals that a lead up race before the cup is valuable.It has taken a long time but now the English trainers are starting to do the same,i would say that now they are doing that a long overdue win will come soon in the cup.
Himself, you just cant help yourself can you. You always hint about the lack of stamina not only from aussie horses but the people as well ‘if he dares bring her over’ why wouldn’t he,she is too good for your sprinters. You, like ugly mare are a joke! A horse wins 19 straight, 9 Group 1’s and 7 Group 2’s and you pair of twits still find fault or give back handed compliments.Did you say the same about So You Think? I bet you did. And thats right CS Weld is Irish,and it is almost exclusively the English who constantly go on about the class difference,or say what a flat,lush green,even,easy surface to perform on.
You are getting well above above your station by referring to me ( or Ugly Mare ) as a twit. Behave yourself. I don’t need to flash my credentials at you – suffice to say I have been around this game long enough, and have learned more than enough to know what I’m talking about.
Firstly, as others already know, I am Scottish, not English. As for So You Think – I had a series of good bets on him when he won in Australia. Yes, I was one who said he would find it tougher here – and he did, and although I did back him to win the Eclipse, I also backed against him in the Arc.
My main gripe is not against Black Caviar per se, but rather, blinkered Australians ( you are Australian, are you not ? ) like you, who constantly bang on about what the wonder mare from down under would do to Frankel – even if they raced against each other at a mile – a distance which she is untried and unproven over. Do you believe Black Caviar could defeat Frankel at a mile ? Frankel is ranked above her in the International Ratings for good reason – and that reason is not European bias – whether you or your fellow Aussies think so or not.
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Above my station:) Blinkered Australians
Must only be the likes of you who knows the facts 
And i hear what Frankel would do to Black Caviar over 5 or 6 f even though all of his runs have been at 7-8f. You start talking about feeding Trolls expect to be called a twit.And thats right CS Weld is Irish,and it is almost exclusively the English who constantly go on about the class difference,or say what a flat,lush green,even,easy surface to perform on. Weld and the French Trainers learned from the locals that a lead up race before the cup is valuable.It has taken a long time but now the English trainers are starting to do the same,i would say that now they are doing that a long overdue win will come soon in the cup.
Like Himself I’m Scottish not English, and I still don’t think So You Think was all that special, while Black Caviar obviously is special, nothing to do with any bias towards or against Oz/UK/Ireland.
Re your statement above…………Check your facts and I think (nay KNOW) you’ll find it’s the other way round, the locals learned from Dermot Weld that there is no need to have a run a few days before The Melborne Cup to win the race. Vintage Crop’s prior run was in The Irish St Leger which he won.
I am well aware Vintage Crop did not run prior to the cup,i stated that Weld ( Media Puzzle} and the French Trainers had run prior to the cup which they did. Bart has won a dozen of them,so i dont think he has anything to learn from Weld or anyone elseon how to to win the cup.And the fact remains that SYT had 6 starts on UK soil for 4 wins 2 seconds and 3 Group 1’s.As for Vintage Crop not running prior,that probably accounts for about 2 cup winners in the last 100 years.
the fact remaisn that SYT had 6 starts on UK soil for 4 wins 2 seconds and 3 Group 1’s.
…so what? As you don’t rate UK horses, what did he beat?
What about his Arc run? Breeder’s Cup run?Maybe Aiden should send him hurdling, he hasn’t had a hurdler since Istabraq, or on second thoughts, maybe not as then he’d run into Hurricane Fly
the fact remaisn that SYT had 6 starts on UK soil for 4 wins 2 seconds and 3 Group 1’s.
…so what? As you don’t rate UK horses, what did he beat?
What about his Arc run? Breeder’s Cup run?Maybe Aiden should send him hurdling, he hasn’t had a hurdler since Istabraq, or on second thoughts, maybe not as then he’d run into Hurricane Fly
He ran a good 4th in the Arc,then raced on dirt for the first time after being up for months.If you smugly suggest he should be hurdling,you better stick with the jumpers as you are clueless regarding form on the flat.
Trainer Peter Moody seems to have had a bit of time to sleep on it after Saturday’s win. He said Sunday morning he may have been a bit premature in saying the Futurity was out for BC. Moody added, she pulled up great, eat her feed bin clean and looked none the worse for wear. He said that he will nominate her on Monday for the Futurity and sit down with the owners on Tuesday to decide on a start.
….And the fact remains that SYT had 6 starts on UK soil for 4 wins 2 seconds and 3 Group 1’s….
…I’m sorry I don’t trade twitty insults, so perhaps you could get your facts right.
….show some respect to Ireland – we’ve had enough troubles in the past….
I don’t think I’ve read a more clueless comment on any forum….
…best get used to it, you’re here now…
It’s not suprising that she managed 9.98??? Name any horse anywhere that has…
..so it was from a standing start – stone the crows….
I feel confident there have been many more do a 9.98 or similar, for 200m, and probably not all sprinters either, but for an older mare to keep her from so well, who can argue with that..?
..thanks for your reply…
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Prix de l’Abbaye is run on a downward slope. Debate over her first section is pointless. Even if slightly slower than normal the rest of the race was not.
…for a flat track on good ground over 1000m, and a Gr. 1, I would say it was well slower than normal, which might explain why they were able to speed up somewhat, as this 9.98 third section seemed to be a fixation for some people, so I made it mine too – that was my point.
I’m dubious over the exact distances of both the Prix de l’Abbaye and Prix de la Foret as it is. But, for factual purposes, the Prix de l’Abbaye’s first "400m" took 22.35.
For comparison, 3 International Group 1 class sprints from 2011.
Hong Kong Sprint – 1200m – first 400m in 23.61. Take off a "standard" 10.5 and the first 200m is approximately 13.11
Al Quoz Sprint – 1000m – first 200m in 14.11
Dubai Golden Shaheen – 1200m – first 200m in 13.65
Nick Mordin is on record with a standing start being worth 1.5 seconds. I’m not saying Black Caviar’s first 200m was record breaking with a standing start, but it is easily explained.
I’m very grateful Jose, thanks for going to the trouble.
You query the distance of the Abbaye, I would do the same for Ascot, since Miss Andretti’s win, it does seem odd and an anomaly, and I’m not the only one to have queried that.
Looking forward to hopefully seeing her run in the Golden Shaheen on Dubai World Cup night. Taking on sprinters from different parts of the world on a new surface will present a new and tough challenge. Probably tougher than what she’ll face if she comes over for Royal Ascot. The sprinters over here really aren’t up to much. The last real outstanding sprinter in the UK was Oasis Dream back in 2003.
Isn’t the Dubai race on a synthetic surface? I’d be thinking seriously about not doing that. She’s not a machine you can’t just take her anywhere you want any surface and expect the horse to show their best every time. I can’t believe Moody would back her up 3 weeks in a row 1400-1000-1400 from a race planning perspective it is sheer lunacy. I really hope he’s not reflecting on how much it may have taken out of her in a few months time, and how in hindsight he wouldn’t have done it if he had his time again.
I’m not trying to set her up for excuses for Ascot, most of us would agree this is a poorly planned campaign that would stuff most horses, probably for good. I saw some figures recently that said over the last year in Australia 148 or so horses had tried a 7 day back up from 1400-1000 and Black Caviar was the first horse to win when doing it.
0-147 is a pretty poor strikerate!
I thought I saw signs of weakness on Saturday and I’ve never seen it in her before. If she were mine I’d be missing Ascot (whats the point) and taking her to Japan and Hong Kong in December instead. Not as far to travel and gives her a lot more time to recover from this campaign. They won’t do it though she’ll get shuttled all round the world and fingers crossed when they do it Moody won’t end up musing how poorly planned this campaign was and how much it took out of her for later on.
….And the fact remains that SYT had 6 starts on UK soil for 4 wins 2 seconds and 3 Group 1’s….
…I’m sorry I don’t trade twitty insults, so perhaps you could get your facts right.
….show some respect to Ireland – we’ve had enough troubles in the past….
So its geography,and maybe you should show some respect for Australia.As for troubles in regards to finance the lenders there were greedy and stupid.And Australia is a country that is helping Irish people out in droves by giving them 457 visas, i know because where i work we have a white board full of names of people coming to work here.Not for poor money either,all of these jobs in this field are worth 80-100 000 pounds,and that is fact! Mind you in 50 degrees and working 28×12 hr shifts before a week off they will know they have earned it.As for Black Caviars time it has been reassessed to 55.44 seconds, i really dont know where you get the idea that it seems like they should go quicker! Miss Andretti ran the time ok,it has been timed since and proven,though as she is another Australian it is right to doubt her!
^I think you miss my points really. I was suggesting they appeared slowish out of the gates and I felt the time reflected that, an early dawdle, which enable them to pick up halfway and produce that mid sectional. That’s all really, nothing to get worked up about.
As for Miss Andretti, I wasn’t referring to her time but the recently realigned 5f course at Ascot, which seems a bit strange to some people, not just to me. Miss A was very much a favourite of mine and couldn’t have been more pleased when she won.
Dysphonia didn’t fly the flag too well at Meydan the other day, she has formlines with Atlantic Jewel and Mosheen. I hope it’s not a portent of things to come – some people won’t be happy bunnies.
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