Billy Cray 6.50 Wolverhampton

[davidjohnson]

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

[Irish Stamp]

What happened DJ?

[MikkyMo73]

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

It was a shocker wasn’t it DJ – It’s been debated quite a lot on ATR but I don’t think anyone has mentioned how wide he raced the horse. Why did he travel so far wide throughout the race in a smallish field? – baffling.

Mike

[Gazs Way De Solzen]

Well, it couldnt be in search of better ground.

No idea to be honest, rather strange tactics.

[railway guard]

You want to see his twin brother. He is brutal.

[MikkyMo73]

You want to see his twin brother. He is brutal.

Good one. Took a while to sink in but then I laughed lol.

Welcome to the forum by the way.

Mike

[carvillshill]

Maybe some of his relatives place laid it

[railway guard]

Thank you Mikky. You will see from my joining date that I am not actually a ‘new’ member, just don’t post very often.

[MikkyMo73]

Thank you Mikky. You will see from my joining date that I am not actually a ‘new’ member, just don’t post very often.

Lol, well three posts a year aint that bad

You should post more, you will enjoy it here – or do you just prefer to read?

Mike

[Jim JTS]

He’s actually called Billy Cray not Kray

he’s already won twice on Justcallmehandsome and no-one said anything then. do people/punters just moan when horses lose?

[MikkyMo73]

He’s actually called Billy Cray not Kray

he’s already won twice on Justcallmehandsome and no-one said anything then. do people/punters just moan when horses lose?

Just to tell you my own position on this Jim

I’m certainly not moaning, just pointing out that in my opinion he rode a poor race. Take a look at it’s run prior to tonight Jim. Mr Cray popped the horse out and rode it prominent, three horse widths wide all the way round, put the race to bed a few furlongs out and hugged the rail in the straight.

Now have a look at tonight’s ride. Held it up in last position off a very very slow pace, and kept the horse amazingly wide throughout. The horse was never in a challenging position.

In my opinion it was just a poor ride – I’m not bothered about it as poor rides happen every day.

Mike

[Jim JTS]

Mikky it depends on which way you look at it, his horse reared up at the start, so maybe he was giving it time to get back into the race, I agree he stayed wide but again maybe to give his horse a chance of getting back into the race, he’d have had no chance if he tried to go through the field, had this not been a fav and a 10/1 chance not much would have been said.

for the record I fancied Casablanca Minx which was a non runner, my other choice was Justcallmehandsome.

[MikkyMo73]

I take your point Jim, especially as I hadn’t noticed it had reared up at the start.

Lesson for myself: Watch the race a few times before being critical

Mike

[davidjohnson]

Jim

No I don’t just moan when horses just lose. I tend to moan when I have doubts as to whether a horse has been ridden on his merits. It’s easy to say he’s just an apprentice, he’s learning, but I think that would be a bit of a cop out to be honest. As you say Billy Cray had won on the horse the last twice, do you not think it puzzling that different tactics were adopted on this occasion compared to those last 2 wins? Do you not also find it puzzling why he was still on the bridle turning for home with about 8 lengths to make up. The fact that the horse reared slightly is immaterial in my opinion. The amount of ground it may or may not have cost him is neglibile and 2 horses, including the winner, missed the kick by further.

I’m not sure how the argument of staying wide helps the horse get back into the race, he was ‘in’ the race until restrained to a wide position.

[Jim JTS]

Individuals see things differently David, for me there wasn’t much wrong with the ride apart from the fact the horse didn’t help it’s chances at the start, if he’d have managed to rush the horse to join the leaders he’d have almost certainly have emptied with a furlong to run and still been beaten.

If you think it was a dodgy or bad ride for whetever reason then I have no problems with that but I didn’t see too much wrong.

[davidjohnson]

Jim

I’m happy to agree to disagree. Rather ironically, if you check out the Kicking King thread, you’ll see I’m happy to have a moan about jockeys even when they win!

[Cav]

I’d agree it was a complete reversal of previously successful riding tactics on the horse. For sure it was a very poor ride and it didn’t look good. Riding to orders I suppose

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