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Re the Sussex, it really looks like Henry’s race to me. However, does anyone else think that Major Cadeaux has a ‘major’ place chance? His form this year has been consistent and progressive, but I suppose there is a big doubt about his getting a truly run mile, especially against this opposition.
I agree about HTN and Major Cadeaux could be placed. It will be interesting to see how Winker Watson runs to compare the form with Tamayuz who beat him a fair way though it was his first run for a year and he did lose a shoe.
I personally think Winker Watson is better over a shorter trip, i dont think a mile are the best conditions for him.
Will be interesting to see how Nahoodh carries on from her good win last time out at Newmarket.
None of the top 3 in the market have raced at Goodwood before, so we might see a change in tactics to get them up with the pace more from the start.
Will wait and see what the ground is like.
I personally think Winker Watson is better over a shorter trip, i dont think a mile are the best conditions for him.
Will be interesting to see how Nahoodh carries on from his good win last time out at Newmarket.
You may be right about WW as sire is very speedy but there is stamina on his dam’s side.
Gaz, has Nahoodh had a sex change?
Gaz, has Nahoodh had a sex change?
Indeed. She’s just asked for a refund though because she doesn’t like it.
A shame Nahoodh has not been declared and just 6 now oppose HTN. Looks like a race to watch and not bet.
my ratings
147 henrythenavigator
142 ravens pass
136 major cadeaux
130 dream eater
130 tariq
121 winker watson
119 windsor palcewill back henrythenavigator to win
major cadeaux ewAnother narrow win, another time Ravens Pass gives Henry 1st run. How many more times will Fortune bang his head on that particular brick wall?
Another narrow win, another time Ravens Pass gives Henry 1st run. How many more times will Fortune bang his head on that particular brick wall?
Fortune has barely given the horse a good ride all season. Too much to do in France last time, too much to do at Newmarket in the Guineas. I can understand him tracking Henry at Ascot but lessons haven’t been learned today again he tracked Henry. Ok he only just failed to beat Henry but fail again he did. Had he been more prominant and it didn’t suit the horse I think everyone would’ve been forgiving because at least then he would’ve done everything he could to get Henry beaten.
Henry is good but he’s not invincible by any means (despite extremely complimentary quotes from messrs O’Brien and Murtagh). The milers aren’t great this year in my humble opinion.
At least give it a go, a-la McCoy and Exotic Dancer racing prominently in the King George after trying a few times to track Kauto Star. Ok, it didn’t work, but at least they knew.
I think Winker Watson would have won the 7f G2 yesterday pulling a cart.
Another narrow win, another time Ravens Pass gives Henry 1st run. How many more times will Fortune bang his head on that particular brick wall?
Fortune has barely given the horse a good ride all season. Too much to do in France last time, too much to do at Newmarket in the Guineas. I can understand him tracking Henry at Ascot but lessons haven’t been learned today again he tracked Henry. Ok he only just failed to beat Henry but fail again he did. Had he been more prominant and it didn’t suit the horse I think everyone would’ve been forgiving because at least then he would’ve done everything he could to get Henry beaten.
Henry is good but he’s not invincible by any means (despite extremely complimentary quotes from messrs O’Brien and Murtagh). The milers aren’t great this year in my humble opinion.
With all respect Ian you should learn to read a race. Fortune gave the horse a perfect ride and the race was run ro suit Raven’s Pass to a "T" Henry’s would be pacemaker was being scrubbed along causing a slower than expected pace.
Many have doubted Ravens ability to say a mile in a truly run race and is he was to lie handy or try and make the running he would definately not see out the mile.
The best way to ride a doubtful stayer is to hold him up and if it is not a truly run race then it is very much in a suspected non stayers favour.
If ever Ravens was going to beat Henry it was today but he simply isn’t good enough plain and simple.
I think his chance has gone and should they meet again and we get a stronger pace Henry will more than likely finish further ahead of him.
Ravens was my choice to win the guineas. I particulary like the horse but make no mistake Henrythenavigator is a bit on the special side and a superior animal.
I totally disagree this years crop are inferior. I think they are as good as we have seen in some time. HTN has now won 4 group 1 races and you don’t get many of them in a bag of coal.
I’d agree, that’s about as good as Raven’s Pass is, but that is still very good. People have said Henrythenavigator would be seen to better effect with a faster pace. I would agree with that, but I would suggest that comment also applies to Raven’s Pass. I use Ascot as my evidence, both horses ran very fast there, RP was last off the bridle & was closing on Henry (without ever looking like beating him). I think the RP team persist with these hold-up tactics because they feel their horse has at least as good a turn of foot as Henrythenavigator.
Imo Raven’s Pass has only had one questionable ride this year, that was in France last time. Sadly, that may have been his best chance of winning a group one.
Acording to magnier htn probably wont run over a mile again this season,so a step up in trip in the irish champion stakes looks likely now,which should be a great race if new approach turns up
they would give Ravens Pass a run where they don’t track who they think is the biggest danger. I thought he gave Henry just a little bit too much rope, drifted slightly right under a right hand drive and if neither of those two things had happened, given the way he was finishing, and the winning distance, just might have made the difference. Having said that, I would like to see RP try 10 furlongs as I think he was just caught for a few strides for pace but was staying on really well. Would love to see him win something as he is a smashing individual.
Another narrow win, another time Ravens Pass gives Henry 1st run. How many more times will Fortune bang his head on that particular brick wall?
Fortune has barely given the horse a good ride all season. Too much to do in France last time, too much to do at Newmarket in the Guineas. I can understand him tracking Henry at Ascot but lessons haven’t been learned today again he tracked Henry. Ok he only just failed to beat Henry but fail again he did. Had he been more prominant and it didn’t suit the horse I think everyone would’ve been forgiving because at least then he would’ve done everything he could to get Henry beaten.
Henry is good but he’s not invincible by any means (despite extremely complimentary quotes from messrs O’Brien and Murtagh). The milers aren’t great this year in my humble opinion.
With all respect Ian you should learn to read a race. Fortune gave the horse a perfect ride and the race was run ro suit Raven’s Pass to a "T" Henry’s would be pacemaker was being scrubbed along causing a slower than expected pace.
Many have doubted Ravens ability to say a mile in a truly run race and is he was to lie handy or try and make the running he would definately not see out the mile.
The best way to ride a doubtful stayer is to hold him up and if it is not a truly run race then it is very much in a suspected non stayers favour.
If ever Ravens was going to beat Henry it was today but he simply isn’t good enough plain and simple.
I think his chance has gone and should they meet again and we get a stronger pace Henry will more than likely finish further ahead of him.
Ravens was my choice to win the guineas. I particulary like the horse but make no mistake Henrythenavigator is a bit on the special side and a superior animal.
I totally disagree this years crop are inferior. I think they are as good as we have seen in some time. HTN has now won 4 group 1 races and you don’t get many of them in a bag of coal.
Where is the doubt about Raven’s Pass’ ability to stay a mile? That was dispelled some time ago surely? Goodwood’s mile isn’t even a stiff mile.
I agree that the race was run to suit Raven’s Pass to a large extent because I personally think (strangely for a horse that is held up) that he is better in a smaller field (possibly because he doesn’t get detatched so far from the pace early on).
However, Raven’s Pass cannot quicken past Henrythenavigator connections surely should’ve known that before the evidence of the Sussex Stakes. I knew it beforehand so did almost everyone else. The only chance Fortune had of winning that race (despite how close he got) was to get first run on Henry and force O’Brien’s horse to try and quicken past him.
Sometimes your only chance is to try something different – to "give it a go", Jimmy Fortune (under instructions or otherwise) didn’t.
Did Ravens Pass settle all that well ? He looked to me early on that he could have settled a little closer without using any petrol, i’ll watch it again but he looked to me like he was inclined to slightly over race ?
No doubt that Henry has superior excelleration, he put a gap on Ravens at the 300m that won him the race.
Henrythenavigator has better acceleration but Raven’s Pass appears to have a slightly better ‘top end’ speed. Raven’s Pass is getting closer though
What niggles at me is how some people are calling Henrythenavigator a "phenomenon"
Yes, he’s a very good horse indeed … but no phenomenon! His turn of foot is fine but not tremendous.Brigadier Gerard … now he was a phenomenon and had a tremendous turn of foot. When he hit top gear, opposition was simply blasted away.
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