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I apologise, chased leader not leaders.
The point is still there – has the horse ever won when leading before half-way? He hasn’t, he’s follow horse/s and led 1f out or in the final furlong.
Platinum Duke is not a make all the running horse. He loves to be up with the pace but he’s not one to make all the running and win.
I’m talking about his winning form. His best form (class B races) isn’t of interest to me with regard to tactics. His winning form is what matters…and the horse has never led before half-way and won.
Why go on and make the running on a track where horses leading early have struggled and over 8f – a trip the horse wasn’t proven over. Where is the sense in that?
I’m not saying the race was fixed….i’m just saying they must have had other things on their mind if they thought they could lead early and win.
The horse hasn’t deterioted according to the form book. His turf form was useful enough, some good performances in class B events.
His sand form is a separate issue. The horse ran well in a 0-85 (D) h’cap as Southwell (3rd). Was then an easy winner of a seller and a beaten in a claimer at Lingfield. <br>PDuke should have run better on Saturday in theory although the excuses are there – surface, trip.
I just find the tactics odd.
Glenn,
I never saw your response in reply to the criticism of Betfairs customer service complaints. I have a niggling feeling that you are the man solely responsible for Betfairs extraordinary poo customer service. Am I right?
I didn’t see any specific complaints, all I read was one or two people claiming that our customer service was poor/had gone downhill. How can I give a response if people don’t make it clear what the problem is? As it happens I don’t work in the customer service section.<br>Can I ask you where you work Berminn? Could you answer previous allegations that you work for/are a bookie? I never saw your response.
Glenn ….. you are repeating yourself because you are not quite the authority you believe and others are attempting to correct you.
Ignoring Platinum Duke’s turf form, which I would hope you will agree was not that important to Saturday’s claimer, he had run twice previously on the a/w. He only had two pieces of a/w form prior to Saturday’s race and both runs had been over 7f at Southwell.
You have already said to me "surely you didn’t think he should have been a short priced favourite based on his selling win?". Right lets have a quick look at his a/w debut then, which according to my speed figures was narrowly his better piece of form. His running description that day was "dwelt, soon outpaced, headway 2f out, stayed on".
Glenn, that was his best form applicable to Saturdays race, and was NOT with frontrunning tactics. It was also at Southwell which is biased towards frontrunners, so to presume that he would act at Lingfield was far from stupid in my opinion.
Also you told me to think about what he was doing in Saturdays race….. Well he wasn’t dropping off a win, and as he was carrying topweight, he was hardly entered as ‘claim-bait’ now was he ?
My initial impressions of the race stand. Platinum Duke was out to lose, while fooling as many people as possible that he was trying to win.  ;)
Glenn,
No I am not a bookie. (unless you consider laying on Betfair)
Anybody that has recourse to your customer service team can only feel cheated and disillusioned.  Any of the bookmakers I have ever dealt with have offered first class customer service because they value their clients whereas Betfair dont give a s**t about the people that make them money. As I have explained before one of your staff tells me one thing yet you come on here and correct your fellow staff member. Your rules of racing seems to have little reflection of the real rules and terms and I for one will not be using your business again.
This thread is turning into a ‘Betfair complaints forum’ (and I know I’m guilty too before anyone mentions it) and it’s detracting from the original topic so lets carry on this topic and if you want to complain about Betfair then post it here as we do in fact have a ‘Betfair complaints/praise’ topic which can be located below:
https://theracingforum.co.uk/cgi-bin … 22&topic=8
There you are encouraged to get things off your chest and share your good/bad experiences with other members.
Alsoran,
interesting analysis; however you seem to back your statistics up on the premise that the outcome of a race is a random event, and while recent results might suggest that is true, you might get stung if you decide to take that view with your hard earned!
Good luck in any event.
the main point that is comming across to me is if i go and buy a horse set it up as a short price fav by winning before ect, i can make plenty more money making sure is does not win when it starts 1/2 and laying it to every thing i have got at evens<br>im not saying this has happened but im sure it will happen<br>good for the sport <br>i dont think so<br>carl<br>
it just seems to me that with the increase in bet exchange sites that there could well be a increase in people tempted to stop horses for personal gain<br>with the exchange sites being the places to scam<br>
(Edited by carl at 7:34 pm on Feb. 27, 2002)
Quote: from Punter ex C4 on 4:24 pm on Feb. 23, 2002[br]Everyone at some point in time has suspected that some races are bent.  I have had connections with a couple of yards in the past through ownership and KNOW that some races are bent !
With the explosion of betting exchanges such as Betfair who are quoting that they are turning over £10m per week on horses there has surely never been a better time to make money from ensuring your horse loses rather than wins.
I went maximum today on Platinum Duke, or intended to but while shopping around it became evident that the horse would not win today.
Over 40k was taken on this horse at odds of 6/4 upto 7/4 yet the horse opened 11/10 and returned even money.
Two furlongs out the horse had the field strung out and under pressure yet didnt kick on and allowed the beaten looking horses to rechallenge and go away.  From looking like a procession 2 out to finishing 5th was hardly suprising following the betting patterns.
Does anyone think I am misreading the race by having a biased opinion or was the horse never really given the office to go and win ?
Im not fussed financially as I covered the bet after seeing the money against the horse but I hate posting a losing MAX and this was 2 in a row.
But what do people think of betting exchanges and the potential skullduggery that they make easy to carry out ?  I mean take 45k on your horse being pulled or win a race for 3k ?
Any thoughts betting people ?
Punter<br>
pass it on although nothing new is it
Quote: from Punter ex C4 on 4:24 pm on Feb. 23, 2002[br]Everyone at some point in time has suspected that some races are bent.  I have had connections with a couple of yards in the past through ownership and KNOW that some races are bent !
With the explosion of betting exchanges such as Betfair who are quoting that they are turning over £10m per week on horses there has surely never been a better time to make money from ensuring your horse loses rather than wins.
I went maximum today on Platinum Duke, or intended to but while shopping around it became evident that the horse would not win today.
Over 40k was taken on this horse at odds of 6/4 upto 7/4 yet the horse opened 11/10 and returned even money.
Two furlongs out the horse had the field strung out and under pressure yet didnt kick on and allowed the beaten looking horses to rechallenge and go away.  From looking like a procession 2 out to finishing 5th was hardly suprising following the betting patterns.
Does anyone think I am misreading the race by having a biased opinion or was the horse never really given the office to go and win ?
Im not fussed financially as I covered the bet after seeing the money against the horse but I hate posting a losing MAX and this was 2 in a row.
But what do people think of betting exchanges and the potential skullduggery that they make easy to carry out ?  I mean take 45k on your horse being pulled or win a race for 3k ?
Any thoughts betting people ?
Punter<br>
if this system is all it is supposed to be then it will be a cracker i think i have found halfe of it need help it is quite simple in the end but has been hard tio work out help on the last part would be a big help and of course share witrh the forum
if this system is all it is supposed to be then it will be a cracker i think i have found halfe of it need help it is quite simple in the end but has been hard tio work out help on the last part would be a big help and of course share witrh the forum
Eh?
Turf one.  You might be interested in the cannabis users thread in Chit Chat 11.
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