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Obviously waiting for the final declarations to be confirmed but I look at the market and see Reveillez and Alderburn at 3/1 and 4/1 respectively and i think they’re both totally opposable.
My Will is 12/1 and is carrying 11 stone 5 with the highly regarded Mr N.Schofield on board. I think that looks fantastic each-way value, can’t see him being out the first 4. Although it looks as though Nicholls has put him in to keep the weight down on Cornish Sett who he’s aimed at the race. Won’t put me off My Will though. Was third last year off the same weight of 11 stone 5, ran a cracker behind Exotic Dancer last time and bar his Gold Cup run is a model of consistency.
At first gance Reveillez looks sure to go well, but I have to agree that My Will looks a belting each-way bet at the forecast 12s.
Just looking at the RP’s view of last years race when My Will was 3rd and it claimed that the ground would have been quick enough for him. Not sure if that is right, but he has certainly run his fair share of good races with a bit of dig.
Personally think that it could be taken by an improver and that for me is Alderburn.
I have to say it’s a poor renewal, but quite an open one.
Jack High is overpriced for me at 32 on BF, has done little wrong to merit the outsider tag. Didn’t have a hard race at Aintree either.
My Will is 19 on BF, which is also superb value given his last run.
I think Alderburn has the best chance of the 2 favs. At quick glance I spotted 3 horses he beat in his last win that have won since (Alexanderthegreat, The Bandit & Dunbrody Miller).
(Edited by Friggo at 9:42 pm on April 27, 2007)
Alderburn is now a non runner. I like the chances of Cornish Sett who has been laid out for this race and will act on the ground and should like the step up in trip. Paul N has a good record in this race.
Quote: from Friggo on 9:41 pm on April 27, 2007[br]I have to say it’s a poor renewal, but quite an open one.
Jack High is overpriced for me at 32 on BF, has done little wrong to merit the outsider tag. Didn’t have a hard race at Aintree either.
My Will is 19 on BF, which is also superb value given his last run.
I think Alderburn has the best chance of the 2 favs. At quick glance I spotted 3 horses he beat in his last win that have won since (Alexanderthegreat, The Bandit & Dunbrody Miller).
(Edited by Friggo at 9:42 pm on April 27, 2007)<br>
It is the worst Whitbread I can remember. As a betting medium, I am not even going to bother with it.
Jack High has won this before and this is not the toughest renewal.<br>Current form sadly lacking though and treated accordingly.<br>Trainers points out that jockey quickly regathered his mount the other week at the grand national, and rode him safely back. So not knocked about. <br>I am backing this horse as a speculative each way hope.<br>You never know.
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<br> Hot Weld for me, now his trainer has ‘changed his mind’ about the tactics.:)
quote from Scribbles
"It is the worst Whitbread I can remember. As a betting medium, I am not even going to bother with it. "
If you are correct then Hot Weld also has an outstanding chance as Scottish National Winners dont have a good record in this race and you have to go back to the 60`s and 70`s to find a double winner.<br>Will G. Lee front run though?<br>Hot Weld<br>Small win bet then.<br>
Quote: from sporting sam on 3:07 pm on April 28, 2007[br]quote from Scribbles
"It is the worst Whitbread I can remember.  As a betting medium, I am not even going to bother with it. "
If you are correct then Hot Weld  also has an outstanding chance as Scottish National Winners dont have a good record in this race and you have to go back to the 60`s and 70`s to find a double winner.<br>Will G. Lee front run though?<br>Hot Weld<br>Small win bet then.<br>
When I figure out how I gave you that winner, i’ll let you know LOL<br>Well done if you did back it SS :)<br>I was more interested in the classic trial today.  The Betfred looked distinctly ordinary, in fact quite mundane.
(Edited by Scribbles at 3:40 pm on April 28, 2007)
Yes Scribbles I was on but had already discounted <br>Hot Weld`s chances due to the historical data but your comments coupled with the news that Alderburn was a non runner (20  mins to the off and I did`nt know the favourite was out!!!) put me back on to Hot Weld :o <br>Well done to the Jockey, as Ferdy Murphy said last week He would prefer his stable Jockey on board to pick up the pots. Last week Lee missed out as He was on Nine De Sivola. <br>I feel sorry for last weeks jockey as He rode a blinder and a similar ride with his claim today would have (may have) resulted in a wide margin win, but well done to Graham Lee.<br>BBC Sport Comments<br>  <br> <br>Hot Weld continues hot form  <br>  <br>"Hot Weld landed his second big staying chase in successive weeks with a game victory in the Betfred Gold Cup at Sandown.
As expected, Graham Lee’s mount was first to break with Zabenz keeping him company, followed by top-weight My Will.
Lee increased the tempo on the 6-1 shot when the field started out on their seond and final circuit.
This seemed to find out 9-4F Reveillez as Tony McCoy’s ride began putting in sloppy jumps.
Hot Weld’s relentless gallop was taking its toll on his rivals, and only Zabenz threatened to peg back the eight-year-old back.
However, a horrendous mistake at the last ended his bid and jockey Richard Johnson did well to stay in the saddle.
The winner, who was 11lb out of the handicap, is the first horse to complete the Scottish National-Betfred Gold Cup double."  end quote.
Not entirely accurate as racing posts anorak will point out.;)
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(Edited by sporting sam at 7:07 pm on April 28, 2007)
Did anyone try betting EW on the race with PP?
I noticed that, according to the oddschecker site, they were going 1/4 the odds 1,2,3,4 and decided to back Jack High at 16/1 rather than take 20s for three places elsewhere.
I now seem to be in dispute with the firm as they claim it was never 1,2,3,4 yesterday despite my checking before placing the bet. I know of one other person who checked but didn’t proceed with the bet (as they were already on ante-post for four places).
It would help my case a lot, I think, if I knew more people were affected.
I phoned PP mid-morning after checking my account, which showed 1/5 1,2,3, explaining that there must have been an error therefore asking them to void my bet but they refused (quite rudely too, to the point of calling me a liar) and insisted the bet would stand.
I’m not happy.
Quarter the odds first four in a 10-runner handicap? You cannot be serious. No way would they ever offer such terms. Can only presume that any info being displayed on oddschecker, a site that has nothing to do with Paddy Power, was incorrect and that your anger should be directed towards them.
Don’t know why you’re not happy, embarrassed would be more appropriate for being daft enough to think you could get away with placing a bet at terms that were a Palpable error with a capital P and then having the cheek to ask for a void at the correct terms.
Not a leg to stand on.
I know PP have a reputation for giving out ‘nice’ gestures now and again, but come along now! First 4 in a 10 (OK, perhaps 11 when your bet was struck) runner race? I could have run around myself and got a place with those terms!
Which is exactly why I made a point of checking before proceeding! I thought it was too good to be true but PP and Betfred are in keen competition and this was a Betfred race.
In the past, where there have been errors (regrdless of the bookie), I’ve got so far down the line and the error has surfaced, at which point I’ve either gone on at the revised price/terms or looked elsewhere.
In this case, when the betslip showed 1/4 1,2,3,4, I thought Christmas had come early. I was sure if there was a mistake it would have been corrected by the time I got to the betslip – which PP insisted was on their site and not at oddschecker.
They also insisted when I was questioning them that their IT side of things couldn’t possbly be wrong and they were the ones that insisted the bet must stand.
Another contributor on another forum said the betslip definitely said 1/4 1-4, therefore if PP are right (and their IT stuff can’t be wrong) then I should be paid out since they insisted the bet must stand.
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