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Following on from our discussion a few weeks ago on how bad/good bookmakers are for punters I thought I would follow the advice of the likes of Gingertipster & Betlarge and open a couple of accounts with bookmakers to see how good they would be for me.
Thought I would start quite small in an attempt not to upset anyone and I restricted myself to 3 £50 bets in 12 days with Bet 365, all were losers.
Amazingly following these first 3 bets I received the message,
"Following a review of your account blah blah blah, we assure you this decision has only been taken blah blah blah".
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Enzo GWhat sort of scum are these people? And how unsporting not even to give me a chance of winning my money back.
Rather than Chapman, Boycie & Co allowing Messrs Cooney & Freeth to constantly spout their crap on ATR maybe they should be asking them one or two pertinent questions.
Nothing would really surprise me coming from BET £3.65 but…shurely shome mishtake
I’d suggest you contact them and ask if it’s a ‘computer says no’ malfunction
If not, taking £150 off you and doing a runner with it – which is what it amounts to doesn’t it? – is a fraudulent practice in my opinion
Or do you have ‘previous’ with them?
Never had a bet before with them in my life Drone, like yourself have managed without bookmakers for some time.
Would consider it highly unlikely its a mistake and have no interest in grovelling to them, they have done a runner with my £150.Is that relevant Indocine, would I have to look back at my account to see if I backed the wrong 3 losers?
I picked two bookmakers at random who were going the best price on the horses I fancied, isn’t that what you’re supposed to do?Never heard of anyone getting their account closed but have never backed a winner, would have thought they would have said keep em coming. How can anyone manage to get decent bets on winners with them? Leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
Is that relevant Indocine,
Well yes, it’s entirely relevant, since they did not make the decision out of thin air.
However, if you don’t want to say and are content not to know why, then fine.
"I picked two bookmakers at random who were going the best price on the horses I fancied, isn’t that what you’re supposed to do?"
Unfortunately, a new account betting £50s on such horses immediately flags up to their trading account risk managers the very pointers that you could be just the type of "uneconomic" customer they do not want in the long run.
Bottlers not bookies.
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysThere is every economic reason for B365 to keep a losing account on Eddie. Three losing bets is not enough for them to judge you as a good judge. It seems someone has made a mistake.
Value Is EverythingSlightly off topic but my dear old grandparents got booted off Foxybingo the other day for winning over £300!! There all at it
DISGRACEFUL
Its getting STUPID NOW!
To her credit she bet the lot on her online business and not on the FOBTS. They also kept the book in the UK (though not the casino, games, etc).
In the end, if you are factored or closed then it’s up to you whether to lie down to it or not.
Unfortunately, a new account betting £50s on such horses immediately flags up to their trading account risk managers the very pointers that you could be just the type of "uneconomic" customer they do not want in the long run.
I was betting fivers, tenners and occasional scores in the late 1970s – approximately the inflation-adjusted equivalent of ponies, half-tons and occasional tons today – and losing money overall, but slowly and erratically with short-term profit due to winning runs or sole ‘big wins’ punctuating the inexorable decline into ruin. Which, of course, is the standard pattern associated with the gee-gee punting experience: recycle, recycle, recycle a slowly diminishing pot until there’s none left
‘Early Bird’ punting (what little there was) on the best morning prices in the village was an integral and in fact near-obsessive part of this loss-inducing strategy: "morning Drone" smiled the cashiers at my local betting emporia; "morning sir" the hearty welcome on phoning the Credit offices
The battles raged, advances and retreats, winners and losers; but the ‘old enemy’ I loved to hate eventually won the war, a little scarred and bloodied but unbowed
Isn’t that what the bookmaker-punter wargame should be about: no quarter given, none asked…and no cold feet
Drone
In those days you stuck with the same shop come what may.
They took your good bets and bad bets and the over-round was always in their favour long term. They knew you personally
Compare today when people flit from one account to another for "best price". The bookmakers have no clue nor care not who you are, just what bets you make. If you only bet with them at top prices then goodbye. The old day records were non existent. Today every internet bet made is recorded and analysed in seconds.Just in the interests of balance I have never had a problem with Bet365. Offer best odds guaranteed, regular free bets, pleasant telephone service and always one of the first to price up. In my experience there are plenty of bookmakers who don’t offer any of those things and are more ready to close accounts.
Drone In those days you stuck with the same shop come what may.
They took your good bets and bad bets and the over-round was always in their favour long term. They knew you personally
Compare today when people flit from one account to another for "best price". The bookmakers have no clue nor care not who you are, just what bets you make. If you only bet with them at top prices then goodbye. The old day records were non existent. Today every internet bet made is recorded and analysed in seconds.Yep, different world different business. Was it really quite the rose-tinted picture I painted above? Probably not
Whilst not excusing the way Eddie Case has been treated I do have some grudging sympathy with bookmakers kicking rick-only punters into touch. It’s little different to the punter of time-honoured yore who bets only the cliched ‘filthy each-way’ on dead-eights with a short fav
Sensible and wary account management applies to both bookmaker and punter: knock-backs and account closure are nothing to be proud of
However it does seem clear that the surfeit of bookmakers around today offering a surfeit of best prices and other tempting offers only want the fun, mercurial, serial penny-punter and are of little to no relevance to even the semi-serious punter: 50 quid, I ask you
However it does seem clear that the surfeit of bookmakers around today offering a surfeit of best prices and other tempting offers only want the fun, mercurial, serial penny-punter and are of little to no relevance to even the semi-serious punter: 50 quid, I ask you
Presumably, you have carried out some sort of a survey? A very disparaging throwaway comment in respect of many punters who may not bet massive amounts but could quite easily have every bit as much knowledge as those who might potentially flitter away 1000’s at a time just because they can afford to do so. As far as I am aware there are very few professional punters and I really don’t see why bookmakers in general should be falling over themselves to cater for such a small minority at the expense of the majority.
The only on-line bookie that allows you to see your P&L on account history (total stake – total return) without having to reckon up every single bet, a notable facility in itself.
BetVictor withdrew Best Odds Guaranteed after a run of overpriced winners for me so I very rarely use them now, and both Hills and Paddy Power i’m around £2k in front on each since 1 June last yr, yet have had no problems placing a bet.
Boylesports have referred me to trader a couple of times and been offered a lesser price on 20 quid bets.
Overall, as a tenner to a ton bet punter, I can’t grumble too much about them. The quality of sites varies (Betfred v poor) and such as not offering live streaming also dictates who i bet with from time to time.
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assume
the vast majority of bets go through on auto. So traders are being employed to manually filter the remainder however many that is. So how many bets do how many traders attend to?
Traders being human are expensive to maintain. So I wonder what value they actually bring to the company over and above their total costs in wages, pensions etc. I’m not sure this can even be answered because I’ve never had it confirmed that they are also audited on all the bets they have factored/rejected so as to gain the full picture of their skill. So, what is the true value of a trader over and above the belief that he has some?
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