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At the end of Day One, I have the following scores…
Nick Hatton (0 winners from 1 selection, -£1.00)
Sal (1 winner from 19 selections, -£12.50)
Grasshopper (0 winners from 2 selections, -£2.00)
Monkey (0 from 0, in the lead, £0.00)
(Edited by non vintage at 5:44 pm on Feb. 5, 2005)
Scores updated after day 1
Lookingforawinner sel’s 1 p/l +6.5pts %p/l +650%<br>Cp Gagie sel’s 1 p/l +2.5pts %p/l +250%<br>Daylight sel’s 3 p/l +4.5pts %p/l +150%<br>Dave Jay sel’s1 p/l +0.533pts %p/l +53.33%<br>Andy Dawes sel’s 4 p/l +2pts %p/l 50%<br>Hoofhearted sel’s 6 p/l +1.5pts %p/l 25%<br>Non Vintage sel’s 4 p/l +1pt %p/l +25%<br>Steve DG sel’s 3 p/l -1pt %p/l -33%<br>Sal sel’s 19 p/l -12.5pts %p/l -65.79%<br>Grasshopper sel’s  2 p/l -2pts %p/l -100%<br>Ace  sel’s 1 p/l -1pt %p/l –100%<br>Nick Hatton sel’s 1 p/l -1pt %p/l -100%<br>Tooting sel’s 1 p/l -1pt %p/l -100%<br>Letsgetracing sel’s 3 p/l -3pts %p/l -100%<br>Barry Dennis sel’s 5 p/l -5pts %p/l -100%<br>Cormack15 sel’s 10 p/l -10pts %p/l -100%
Aston – tbc<br>Monkey, jairducochet and Empty Wallet no selections as yet.
Total so far = 65 pts staked for a loss of 17.967pts (-27.64%) but some looking promising up there at the top!
(Edited by cormack15 at 9:49 pm on Feb. 5, 2005)
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(Edited by cormack15 at 10:17 pm on Feb. 5, 2005)
Quote: from Nick Hatton on 10:41 pm on Feb. 4, 2005[br]<br>Jairducochetfan
NO  SELECTIONS  !!<br>(please could you let me know what to do if I encounter forecast joint or co favourites …… cheers)<br>
Back them both Nick. I might just hit 10 runners and qualify. Darkness was my only selection since I posted up the system. So its touch and go whether I make it!
Qualifiers for Day Two for my lot…..
empty wallet
No Qualifiers
LookingForAWinner
Merryvale Man (3.30 Musselburgh) Unplaced (-1 point)
Tooting
Cleveland Way (2.10 Wolverhampton) Unplaced (-1 point)<br>La Gitana (3.10 Wolverhampton) 3rd (-1 point)
andydawes
Count Fosco (2.30 Musselburgh) 1st @ 5/2 (+2.5 points)<br>Cleveland Way (2.10 Wolverhampton) Unplaced (-1 point)<br>Radlett Lady (2.40 Wolverampton) Unplaced (-1 point)
Hoofhearted
Count Fosco (2.30 Musselburgh) 1st @ 5/2 (+2.5 points)<br>Radlett Lady (2.40 Wolverhampton) Unplaced (-1 point)<br>Carte Diamond (3.00 Musselburgh) 1st @ 1/3 (+0.33 points)<br>Helvetius (4.00 Musselburgh) 2nd (-1 point)<br>Shifty (4.40 Wolverhampton) 2nd (-1 point)
Cumulative Totals then…..
empty wallet 0 points ROI 0%<br>LookingForAWinner +5.5 points ROI 275%<br>Tooting -3 points ROI -100%<br>andydawes +2.5 points ROI 36%<br>Hoofhearted +1.33 points ROI 12%
(Edited by LetsGetRacing at 5:13 pm on Feb. 6, 2005)
Selections + results for Sunday 6th from the Cormack15 stable –
Dave Jay
3.00 Musselburgh Carte Diamond 1st 1/3
Daylight
1.50 Hereford Easter Present unp 9/4<br>2.50 Hereford Soliel d’Hiver F 12/1<br>2.10 Wolverhampton  Pagan Storm 2nd 7/2<br>3.10 Wolverhampton Quest On Air 2nd 4/1
Non Vintage
All Wolverhampton<br>2.40 Radlett Lady unp 3/1<br>3.10 La Gitana 3rd 2/1<br>4.10 Fight The Feeling 2nd 85/40<br>4.40 Shifty 2nd 6/5
No qualifiers for either Ace or CP Gagie (Ace – middle pages of RP are Leopardstown and Irish racing isn’t included – don’t worry as you will still reach ten selections by a week Saturday – btw the selection would have been Mark The Man – correct? Watch it hose up!) Failed to ‘hose up’!
(Edited by cormack15 at 10:23 am on Feb. 7, 2005)
SUNDAY’S QUALIFIERS…
Nick Hatton (1)<br>2:20 hereford – Kings Brook
Grasshopper (2)<br>3:20 hereford – Borehill Joker<br>4:00 musselburgh – Ta Ta For Now
Monkey (1)<br>3:20 hereford – Bobsbest
Aston<br>(not sure yet)
Sal (16)<br>1:50 hereford – Earcomesannie<br>2:20 hereford – Barton Park<br>2:20 hereford – Radnor Lad<br>2:20 hereford – Thomo<br>2:50 hereford – Audiostreetdotcom<br>2:50 hereford – Barrow<br>2:50 hereford – Jimboy<br>2:50 hereford – Bosco<br>3:20 hereford – She’s Our Native<br>4:50 hereford – Diamonds Will Do<br>2:00 musselburgh – Kippour<br>2:30 musselburgh – Kyle Of Lochalsh<br>4:00 musselburgh – Sendonthecheque<br>4:30 musselburgh – The Rooken<br>2:40 wolverhampton – Red Hot Ruby<br>3:40 wolverhampton – Vittorioso
(And, as I can’t get gold of a copy of the RP today, could someone hang on to one in case Aston doesn’t log on until tomorrow – cheers!)
Day 2 selections …..
<br>Barry Dennis
Hereford  3:20   Harry Harestone    u 33/1<br>Hereford  3:50   Maxie McDonald     NR<br>Musselburgh  3:30   Sovereign State  u 25/1
Today :  Bets = 2   Profit = -2pts   <br>All :  Bets = 7   Profit = -7pts   p.o.t. = -100%
<br>Cormack15
Hereford  3:20   High Peak        pu 11/2<br>Hereford  3:50   Jackem          3rd 6/1<br>Musselburgh  2:30   Count Fosco   1st 5/2<br>Musselburgh  3:30   Allegedly Red  u 25/1
Today :  Bets = 4   Profit = -0.5pts<br>All :  Bets = 14   Profit = -10.5pts   p.o.t. = -75%
<br>LetsGetRacing
no selections
<br>Jairducochetfan
no selections
<br>Stevedvg
Hereford  2:20   Taranis   3rd 5/6
Today :  Bets = 1   Profit = -1pt<br>All :  Bets = 4   Profit = -2pts   p.o.t. = -50%
(Edited by Nick Hatton at 4:55 pm on Feb. 6, 2005)
Terrific bit of fun this. I was certain I wouldn’t get 10 qualifiers, but with 2 today I could be OK.
Just need them to win now – come on you bandits!
Nick <br>in your totals you have barry dennis and cormack as both – 100 %<br>barry has had 5 bets<br>cormack 10 bets<br>no winners for both so should that read<br>barry – 500 %<br>cormack – 1000%<br>im new to this and interested how punters display the profit and loss as phone tipsters seem to dress up the results to suit
lineform
Hi Lineform
The -100% figure was for profit on turnover which was correct for both Barry and Cormack15 as they’d both lost 100% of their money yesterday. Profit measured against stake (not total turnover) would have given your -500% and -1000% figures.<br>
Lineform,
The percentages given relate to the Return On Investment for each person’s system.
Each selection is backed to 1 point (Win) level stakes. If you the divide total profit (or loss) by the number of selections made (and, in this case, the total stake) you arrive at the percentages given.
So, if you had made 6 selections, with 1 winner at 6/1 and 5 losers…..
6 selections to 1 point stake = 6 points<br>Profit = (1 X 6) – 5 = +1 point
Your ROI is then…..
(profit/total stake) * 100 = (1/6) * 100 = 16.67%
I’d honestly take little notice of most tipsters percentages etc. Some of course are honest, but a majority massage them to suit themselves.
I can’t count the number of times I’ve received a tipster’s leaflet in the post, worked out all the percentages, average prices etc. from the information they give about their bets and they turn out to be nothing like what they claim. They expect everyone to take what they read as gospel and feel they can make it up as they go along because of this.
(Edited by LetsGetRacing at 6:00 pm on Feb. 6, 2005)
thanks LGR for that<br>that is how i would work things out , its just how the tables is set out that confused me as somene with 10 loses gets – 100% as does some one with 1 loser <br>maybe it should be turnover on total stakes for the the table for interest only
lineform
All it is looking at, is how much people have made (or lost) in comparison to how much they have ‘put down.’ It makes sense then that, if you back 10 horses and they all lose, you’ve lost 100% of your stake i.e. all of it.
I think the confusion comes in when you equate 1 point (i.e. the stake per qualifier in the case of this competition) to 100% and then multiply that by the number of losers.
That’s kind of looking at things from the perspective of an individual bet, rather than the system’s performance as a whole.
At the end of day two, with Aston assumed to be referring to the highest RPR…
(Entrant > wins/selections > profit/loss > %ROI)
Nick Hatton 0/2 -£2.00 -100.00%<br>Aston 2/7 +£2.00 +28.57%<br>Sal 2/29 -£12.50 -40.32%<br>Grasshopper 0/4 -£4.00 -100.00%<br>(Monkey 0/0 with a non-runner today)
<br>Aston’s selections are assumed to have been as follows…
Saturday<br>Sandown 2:10 – ISMENE (lost)<br>Wetherby 3:40 – MIDDLETHORPE (lost)<br>Sandown 1:40 – GREAT TRAVEL (lost)<br>Sandown 4:00 – MERCATO (lost)
Sunday<br>Hereford 3:50 – PEWTER LIGHT (won @ 9/2)<br>Musselburgh 2:30 – COUNT FOSCO (won @ 5/2)<br>Musselburgh 3:30 – BODFARI SIGNET (placed @ 15/2)
(Edited by non vintage at 7:52 pm on Feb. 6, 2005)
Hi lgr<br>i take your point i see what you mean <br>i am a novice trying to find the best ways its good to be able to ask people<br>i think the way i like to show profits for the future will be level stake profits to one point level stakes i.e 100 bets 30 winners at average price of say 3/1 = strike rate of 30% for LSP of 120%
lineform<br>
The fact is lineform, you can use all sorts of methodology in the ways you show/keep track of your profits (or losses). As long as you know what you’re looking at and it is made clear to othres what the figures mean, there is no problem whatsoever in how you do it.
For me though, the ROI process is simple, is known by most people and is the most ‘impressionable,’ way to show your results.
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