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  • #112739
    madman marz
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    A hypocrite in my opinion !

    Please explain why :lol:

    The self proclaimed punters pal, he is nobody’s pal bar, me myself and I.
    [removed]. I hope the HRA hunt him and his ilk to extinction, racing would be so much better for it.

    #112743
    MikkyMo73
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    Hi MM,

    You’re obviously entitled to your opinion, [removed]

    I think the answer to the above question is he is clearly not cheating – he is using the rules to his advantage, in exactly the same way that Prescott does.

    What happens generally is he will run a two year old over an inadequate trip, knowing that it clearly needs further, but as it’s a 2 year old in a 6 or 7f race then nobody asks questions as he is doing nothing wrong. The horse then gets a very good handicap mark and then dots up over it’s correct trip.

    There is absolutely no indication of him [removed] – it just simply wasn’t quick enough over 6 furlong. There is absolutely no indication of cheating – it’s just simply a case of plotting a horse to win when the money is down.

    Just my thoughts.

    Mike

    #112744
    MikkyMo73
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    And for the record MM, I totally don’t agree with what him and Sir Mark do, I just don’t think it’s in the best interests of the sport.

    But as I am constanly told, they are doing nothing wrong, and because we know what they get upto we should, as punters, turn this to our advantage – which I have done on many occassions, which is why I think they are great gamblers.

    Mike

    #112747
    davidbrady
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    Being able to "beat the system" doesn’t necessarily mean you should be lauded for it.

    #112753
    madman marz
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    What you have mentioned I would class as subtle forms of cheating, as the the rules of racing leaves the authorities virtually powerless to do anything about it, unless racing can change the goalposts [which I don’t think they really can] the Curleys Wighams Prescott & Martins will continue to prosper in their underhand ways.
    Personaly I never back a Curley horse as I don’t have time to hang around a betting shop to wait and see if his horse drifts like a barge or is backed off the boards, as you said Curley only backs them just before the off time, yes most of the time his gambles come off, I am a morning price punter so I just avoid any race Curley has a runner in. Personaly I get great enjoyment when one of Curleys gambles comes unstuck.

    #112756
    MikkyMo73
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    Cheers for the response MM, I take onboard what you are saying.

    Mike

    #112759
    HimselfHimself
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    I read his autobiography, "Giving A Little Back" some years ago. Love him or loathe him, Curley is certainly an interesting character. He’s a loner and a maverick who shoots from the hip and who doesn’t suffer fools gladly – that is why many people throughout racing establishment despise him. He ruffles a few feathers (which is no bad thing, in my eyes) and his memorable dressing down of McCririck and Luke Harvey was pure television gold. :lol:

    Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning

    #112763
    clivex
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    Why would anyone want to bet on premiership football when this great sport of ours offers such "characters" such as Barney Curley stiffing the punters?

    #112771
    madman marz
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    I read his autobiography, "Giving A Little Back" some years ago. Love him or loathe him, Curley is certainly an interesting character. He’s a loner and a maverick who shoots from the hip and who doesn’t suffer fools gladly – that is why many people throughout racing establishment despise him. He ruffles a few feathers (which is no bad thing, in my eyes) and his memorable dressing down of McCririck and Luke Harvey was pure television gold. :lol:

    Have to disagree with you, I thought Curley made a complete and utter fool of himself, he was stuttering and fumbling while he was ranting away, while Mc Cririck kept his cool and let Curley embarress himself.
    It was certainly good tv though !

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    Lingfield
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    The Curley runner today had beaten one horse home in 3 previous starts.
    Those not in the know were left to ponder whether it simply had no ability or had been run over too short a trip.
    In the event the horse sluiced up as a heavily backed favourite.
    Apologists will say Curley did not different to Prescott but to non insiders racing was simply brought into disrepute.
    The easy way forward is to boycott betting in all races where he has a runner.

    #112804
    madman marz
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    The Curley runner today had beaten one horse home in 3 previous starts.
    Those not in the know were left to ponder whether it simply had no ability or had been run over too short a trip.
    In the event the horse sluiced up as a heavily backed favourite.
    Apologists will say Curley did not different to Prescott but to non insiders racing was simply brought into disrepute.
    The easy way forward is to boycott betting in all races where he has a runner.

    Ditto Lingfield !

    #112805
    MikkyMo73
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    The Curley runner today had beaten one horse home in 3 previous starts.
    Those not in the know were left to ponder whether it simply had no ability or had been run over too short a trip.
    In the event the horse sluiced up as a heavily backed favourite.
    Apologists will say Curley did not different to Prescott but to non insiders racing was simply brought into disrepute.
    The easy way forward is to boycott betting in all races where he has a runner.

    Why boycott betting in all races where he has a runner?

    In fact I couldn’t disagree more and I would advise on doing the complete opposite because in the main (not always) the betting patterns will tell you how his horses will perform – this giving you a massive advantage that you don’t normally get.

    Undoubtedly his horse was running over the wrong trip on it’s first 3 runs, but that was to get a handicap mark inorder to land a massive punt. With 5 minutes to the off time, everyone could see what was happening and should have plunged on the horse – not boycott it.

    Mike

    #112809
    jairducochetfan
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    I remember this horses debut at Warwick where it looked fat as a pig in the preliminaries and didn’t look like it had ever seen the outside of its stable before, never mind a racecourse.

    He has done a series of podcasts on Youtube too http://www.youtube.com/user/123dafa123

    #112818
    strawbear
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    british racing would’nt be the same without owners and trainers who plot horses up, instead we would have the same drivel as that american rubbish they churn out on atr.
    can never understand why some poeple when they think they’ve seen a bit of a non buzzer the first thing they do is to e-mail attheraces and complain, intstead of keeping thier mouth shut, hope no one else as seen it, then lump the thing next time.
    just listened to the barney curley thing on utube, fantastic, long may these poeple stay in racing.

    #112825
    davidbrady
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    There’s more to the sport than betting and trying to make money. Being able to pull the wool over the eyes of the authorities and/or bookies and/or other punters is nothing to be applauded for, IMO. What Barney does is no different to diving in football.

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