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I was quite impressed with Easy Work today. He easily cruised past a well fancied Mullins horse and in his previous run he beat Mt. Leinster quite comfortably. Giggingstown will have Abracadabras for the Supreme, Fury Road for the Albert Bartlett and this could be their Ballymore horse.
I cant see envoi allen running here, felt he was all out there and emptying, if he does end up here, he wont win. Needs to goto the supreme after that.
Interesting comments ham. I cashed out my 6-1 Supreme Bet before today’s race and did a win any festival race bet to keep it simple. It was only hands and heels from the jockey today so not convinced he had nothing left.
Of course its just my view mike but The comments on the race writeup say “easily” that was not “easily”, a deceiving hands & heels yes mike for sure, he finished that very very tired, that last 50-100 yards id be shocked if he was idling and wasnt just flat out.
Theres no denying hes top class, he would win the supreme hes shown that beating abacadbras, but he wont be winning this after today, whats in behind him?
If something at chelt goes off and turns it into a real stamina test he wont get home.
Davy Russell says he’s versatile trip wise and he just rode him and trainer says he never wins by far.
So we will see. I’d be inclined to agree with you regarding the Supreme as he could get a lead from a rag and use his stamina up the hill. But they got Abracadabras in the stable which is the dilemma. Davy will know after today if he will get 2 miles 5 well enough at Cheltenham he just won’t tell us.
“We’ll try to split them all up and he could go either way.
“I’d say over two and a half he’d find it very easy if you drop him in and ride a race. Over two miles you’d have to be forcing it the whole way.
“I’d say that was a fair race, they went a fair lick the whole way.
“He’ll only ever win by a length or two, that’s all he ever he does every day he runs.”
That comment suggests ballymore is still very much the target
He’ll run here and I’ll be very surprised if he’s beaten
I thought Longhouse Poet ran a good Albert Bartlett trialHe will go here. Wasn’t close to all out, wasn’t emptying and stamina won’t be an issue
No idea where Abacadabras runs next but could certainly see him getting turned over if going to the well again at the DRF. Might well be wrong, but can’t see that horse winning a Supreme, but EA probably would.
I really do not see the point of running Envoi Allen here if they are not going down the Ballymore route. Why step back down in distance?
I note that Elliot says he will have entries in everything. That presumably includes the Champion. Might Cheveley Park be tempted given the weak looking nature of that race?
Agree Botchy, i’ll be taking Aba on all day in the Supreme.
To be honest, i’ll be taking Envoi on as well. Yes he wins and you can’t crab that. However, until today he’s hardly beaten much more than he did in his bumpers. Last season WPM didn’t have a bumper horse bar Blue Sari. This year, there’s been a lack of novice hurdlers. Look at all the festival markets, very windy.
He’s a cracking horse to look at don’t get me wrong and has a great attitude, but he’s making the market for me.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Anything to back that up charlie? Race time? Havent looked at it myself
I can tell you must be pretty involved with him, theres nothing in that race to suggest he “wasnt” all out, he was tieing up at the end, and your flat out “guessing” that stamina wont be an issue, hes had 1 race over the ballymore trip (just about) against horses with 0 graded form, so its a fair shout to assume that todays performance was a glittering one for winning the ballymore, id be stunned if something didnt improve past him by cheltenham, hes a very good horse, he can only beat whats against him, but bar abacadabras and thyme hill in the bumper i doubt hes beaten much, if anything.
According time people Ham i believe Asterion Forlong finished much better than Envoi did.
However, it’s quite hard to know whether Envoi was all out or not. He does seem to idle or just find enough.
Rowlands said this “OK I think (difficult to be sure with all hurdles being run over different distances): Asterion Forlonge was 1.0s (~5 lengths) quicker up the run-in than Envoi Allen, fwiw.”
and Graeme North who provides very useful pacemaps backed that up. Saying Envoi hadn’t improved much on this performance.
Obviously they are times + we can’t be sure if he was all out on this etc.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Looking at that Cheltenham bumper form
In behind he hadMaster debonair G2 hurdle winner
The glancing queen G2 bumper winner
Abacadabras G1 winner
Thyme hill G1 winnerAnd blue sari very clearly didnt run his race last time and hasnt had the chance other than that to show how good he is in grades company
So many of the best novice hurdles in Britain and Ireland ran in that race on what we know so far
I think he will be like klassical dream was, the plan is the ballymore but if the ground was to go very soft they will go the supreme
I seen his run very much like you Ham although my opinion isn’t as bold as yours. He looked to reduce his stride a bit after the last up to the line, getting tired late on.
However, Davy wasn’t overly hard on him and GE said he’d taken a good blow as they’d been easy enough with him post Fairyhouse.
The thing with Davy Russell is that he rides very much like Ruby did, with his legs not his arms. When you see Davy & Ruby flailing it’s because they’ve already squeezed 90% of the juice out of the horse. Tiger Roll in both Nationals are perfect examples where Davy is squeezing him round and then he needs to go for everything round the bend as he’s getting tired.
I’d be confident in this beast in the Supreme but i’ll definitely be taking him on in this. What with is the issue and many could divert to the Supreme/AB to get out of EAs way.
I don’t understand what ‘I can tell you must be pretty involved with him’ is supposed to mean Ham. I’m meeting your fairly bold opinions with my own. We definitely don’t agree, but that’s fine.
He’s breezed up to the join the leader at the second last flight, pinged the last and stayed on well from there all the way to the line. I couldn’t have asked for much more. Davy said afterwards that he could do it over any trip and you think he was tying up at the end. You say he was against horses with 0 graded form, I say it was a good field of novices that had proven ability with lots of potential, and he’s won well.
Re the points I’ve made, yes he will go here and I don’t really see how that can be opposed at this stage. 2m5f has been the plan from the start of the season. Chris Richardson said over Xmas ‘We keep saying he wants stepping up in trip, but until he’s beaten at two miles there’s probably no need to’. They then chose to step him up when they didn’t have to, and he’s won a proper race vs good horses. Paddypower and Betfair both go 7/1 for the Supreme, 5/4 Ballymore. On top of all that, Gordon said “I’d say over two and a half he’d find it very easy if you drop him in and ride a race. Over two miles you’d have to be forcing it the whole way’’. Not sure how that collectively would make anyone think Supreme.
Re his Stamina, he’s not winning races over 2m from the front vs Abacadabras without stamina. He’s not coming off a strong pace and breezing past ED over 2m4f without stamina. Gordon has said multiple times that he will ‘stay all day’, so I am inclined to believe the trainer, jockey, racing manager, market and yesterdays performance.
Of course plans change. If it was bog like come Tuesday I could see them potentially going back to 2m, but even then I don’t really see it.
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