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Sorry to disappoint you, but that 2lb rise has nothing to do with his win at Ascot. Because that race was on a Sunday, the resulting handicap changes won’t be published until next Tuesday.
That rise was because the horse he beat at Chepstow, Zambezi Fix, has run well again since, earning a 3lb rise himself for another close second place. The handicapprs call that a rise based on ‘collateral form’.
And fwiw, I expect that the rating he’ll get next Tuesday will be 147 or 148.
Regarding the Irish handicapper and placed horses, he raised the Irish chase mark of Entoucas, a short head second to Sky Pirate in the Grand Annual, by 6lbs.
That fits with the reaction of the local handicapper, who put Sky Pirate up 8lbs for his win.
Hi Jack,
It was more a general point responding to DBRDBR’s earlier post about the British handicapper. Seems to me that if (and only “if”) the Irish handicapper puts horses up so little – supposedly resulting in many Irish horses winning big Cheltenham handicaps… I don’t see why the British Handicapper should be blamed. If (only “if”) the Irish Handicapper is too lenient, surely it is the fault of the Irish Handicapper?Value Is EverythingGT, the UK handicapper claims to completely ignore the Irish handicapper’s ratings and they supposedly keep a set of marks for each and every Irish horse, they just don’t publish them until an entry. It shouldn’t really matter then what the Irish do.
Personally speaking i’d say the UK system on the whole needs a massive overhaul. No idea how it would be done, but surely in the long-term the UK/IRE systems should link and become one.
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Hindsight is 20/20 so make the most of it!Watched a podcast prior to Cheltenham (EDIT – It was Hyslop and Walsh’s ‘Road To Cheltenham’, the edition where they focused on the handicap races), and a chap from the UK Handicap OR team was on saying that of every hurdler in training the ‘Median’ rating in Ireland, was 4lb less than than the UK median OR. Therefore, unless they believed Irish hurdlers were generally 4lb worse than UK horses (he did not believe this), the Irish hurdlers would need to be raised 4lb as a matter of course when running in the UK. Prior to any ‘special cases’.
Seemed a rather crude way of looking at it, but it did make mathematical sense.
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Fair comment Jack.
4 lbs seems not enough, TTC… Unless you’re Mr O’Leary.
Value Is EverythingDon’t know GT, but the 4lb difference was what the Medians highlighted apparently.
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“Time” as in the difference between the winner and second is timed and divided by the amount of time a length is worth.
Value Is EverythingO’Leary crying again about Tiger Rolls OR in the RP. Thought he would still be wiping egg off his face after Cheltenham, but no the teddys are out of the cot again.
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Returning to the opening post, the revised official handicap rating for Funambule Sivola was published this morning – 149. So a total of an eight pound rise since Ascot, two of which related to the subsequent form of a horse he’s beaten previously.
We’ll find out if he’s up to that sort of mark if he runs in the Grade 1 novice chase at Aintree on Saturday.
33/1 for the Aintree race sums up his chances, would have a much better chance and be one of the favs for the Red Rum but maybe the trainer doesn’t want to have 2 horses in the same race. Both races could be a bit quick after Ascot anyway.
After winning 4 of his last 6 and being a short priced fav in four they can hardly complain at 149.I’m absolutely sick and tired of hearing from Eddie O’Leary. “Tiger Roll shouldn’t be 4/1, his rating is a joke, he isn’t a Grade 1 horse, he has absolutely no chance, everyone knows why we are running him in the bowl, and we hope the handicapper reasesses his mark”.
These sorts of comments are bloody horrendous. The sooner these entitled people are out of the sport, the better, as far as I’m concerned.
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he has absolutely no chance, everyone knows why we are running him
Because it’s all about the horse’s welfare, we have to do what’s best for Tiger blah blah. Hopefully those two potentially conflicting motivations aren’t tested too hard. You generally have to complete to have your mark reassesed don’t you?
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